Ethiopian 737 MAX 8 crash
03-11-2019, 04:51 AM
#81
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Originally Posted by ockham
There are far to many aerodynamic bandaids that are permitted to pass the current standards. Not just this particular airplane, but a whole bunch of airframes. If the basic aerodynamics won't pass without the pushers, pullers and now AOA induced changes to primary and secondary controls then a new design of the wing platform should come into play.
Just my .02
Just my .02
Economics, politics, competition, and customers are the driving force in aircraft development, design, and rebranding... and in some cases, with compromise, overuling safety.
03-11-2019, 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Name User
I have tried to avoid our MAXs when commuting but for the first time I've just now purposely booked around the MAX. My wife has a full fare ticket she is booking and we are picking flights that avoid it as well.
I know it's early but why take a chance?
I know it's early but why take a chance?
03-11-2019, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ORDinary
Seriously? Do you avoid walking down stairs? Getting in a car? You're also more likely to choke on food so you better not eat.
03-11-2019, 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by costalpilot
well ............yeah.
burgers dont have V speeds.?????? confused ???
as for showering...my shower is safer than any old airplane. I dont know about yours.
burgers dont have V speeds.?????? confused ???
as for showering...my shower is safer than any old airplane. I dont know about yours.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...anger-of-death
03-11-2019, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
The traveling public is thinking the same thing about the Max. Just like the rudder hard overs and reversals of the past - there’s a serious problem here. When a government decides to ground the fleet, I don’t think someone choosing to avoid the airframe is at all unreasonable.
03-11-2019, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ORDinary
I understand the flying public feels that way. But you are much, much more likely to die in a car or on stairs. I would think a pilot would apply this logic better than the flying general public.
03-11-2019, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Best post on the subject. Uncommanded or runaway trim is the problem. The solution is simple. It does not matter in the least what generated the uncommanded trim.
Originally Posted by NEDude
A friend of an acquaintance flies 777s for Ethiopian and was next in line for departure after the accident aircraft. According to him the accident aircraft crew reported they had unreliable airspeed to the tower before being switched over to the departure frequency. Don't know how that might play into the MCAS playing a role.
Originally Posted by Peacock
With bad AOA indications, could it be triggering a stall warning (and MCAS) while showing accurate airspeed, which leads the crew to believe the airspeed was unreliable?
03-11-2019, 06:21 AM
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China, Indonesia, Ehtiopia and Cayman grounding their MAX fleet UFN. Boeing stock has not surprisingly plummeted this morning. 2 Max's and 1 767 down since October. Boeing lawyers won't be getting any sleep in the coming weeks.
03-11-2019, 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
Given an equal choice - 737 Max vs 737 - 800 which door would you walk through? We are not talking Max vs Motorcycle here.
But in other parts of the world you can fly a transport jet with a few or a couple hundred hours. But US pax, and most US politicians, don't understand that distinction.
03-11-2019, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
The traveling public is thinking the same thing about the Max. Just like the rudder hard overs and reversals of the past - there’s a serious problem here. When a government decides to ground the fleet, I don’t think someone choosing to avoid the airframe is at all unreasonable.
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