Ethiopian 737 MAX 8 crash
#91
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Yes, and no. The Lion Air crew before the crash dealt with it. The one after obviously did not. If it happens often enough, how willing are you to bet that it won't happen again even to a well trained crew? It all happens quick at low altitude when the flaps go up - stick shaker, unreliable speed, etc.
#92
Two good engines? Yes
Nose about 12* Up and ground going away visually? Yes
You’re flying disregard all extraneous data.
The mighty Lockheed Galaxy had faults in stall warning system. Book day, turn off both channels after verifying flight conditions. Happened to a lot of us on a touch and go. But it got a TWA crew with false warning in a L1011. Not identical system but similar. Not faulting the crew, in the least, everyone survived.
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Nose about 12* Up and ground going away visually? Yes
You’re flying disregard all extraneous data.
The mighty Lockheed Galaxy had faults in stall warning system. Book day, turn off both channels after verifying flight conditions. Happened to a lot of us on a touch and go. But it got a TWA crew with false warning in a L1011. Not identical system but similar. Not faulting the crew, in the least, everyone survived.
GF
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#94
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Well, the 737-800 fatality rate is not looking too good right now. perhaps a statistical glitch, perhaps not. Maybe there is only so many times you can stretch and re-engine a given design without the wheels coming off.
#95
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That's exactly what I'm saying. I wish I still had the pictures some of our deadheading pilots took of a Chinese crew taking off with 6-inches of snow on their wings (yes, pictures taken from inside the a/c on takeoff roll).
Dude - I'm not sure why you've decided to focus on "indictment". I wish I had chosen another word now because you're off on a tangent. I wasn't accusing you of an indictment. I was trying to say that your statements about the write-ups and the crash indicated a bigger problem with local maintenance than manufacturer choices or design. That's all.
Dude - I'm not sure why you've decided to focus on "indictment". I wish I had chosen another word now because you're off on a tangent. I wasn't accusing you of an indictment. I was trying to say that your statements about the write-ups and the crash indicated a bigger problem with local maintenance than manufacturer choices or design. That's all.
I have flown in China for a very long time. I (as are many) are Western Captains from US, Australia, EU, etc. I reject your concept that airmanship is poor in China. Most are Western trained Captains. That said, I have flown with a lot (mostly) of very competent FO's over there. Yes, in the world of Asia in general, you are on Autopilot 98% of the time, which shouldn't be; but if you are following the company rules, then you are doing what they ask. Still, I have rarely found a Chinese FO that I didn't trust or even had a slight concern with. Maybe it was different in the "old days" but from the last 10 years, I do not see any safety issues flying there.
As to the issue of MCAS - this maybe a case of Boeing designing a system to help and turns out it doesn't - but the only way to know is let the investigations mature and we will get the news. That said, if I have a choice between a MAX and another type on similar routes, I will likely take the other type. I basically already do this anyway, because I will also take the Bus over the 737 just to be a little more comfortable either on the JS or in the back.
#96
Most kids out of flight school were screaming bloody murder if they had to actually instruct or lift a finger to help themselves, for quite some time. Now they're screaming like their throats are cut because they need 1,500 hours.
It was very typical for a number of years. Regionals were THE entry level job.
It was very typical for a number of years. Regionals were THE entry level job.
Some regionals hired between 400-800. Many held out for 1000 minimum.
Competitive mins were often 1000-1500, except for a few bottom feeders. More prior to the late '90s.
#97
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Take a second to check out the colossal ignorance and 9/11 conspiracy theories that are already out there about this accident...
#98
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Take a second to check out the colossal ignorance and 9/11 conspiracy theories that are already out there about this accident...
#99
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When I would have been in the market for regionals, good luck with under 2,500 hours.
The bar has been lowered, and those whining about ATP requirements have no clue how untenable and ridiculous their mewling really is.
When the race to the bottom really fell out, when the shiny jet syndrome disease spread like an oil slick, so many just had to be there they'd jump into sub-poverty wages with a wet commercial or pay to be there...as many thousands did, from CoEx to Gulfstream, to Comair. Entry level without ethics.
Overseas, low time pilots are the norm.
#100
making history.
which is why its a lot more than "just" a misdiagnosed trim problem.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/boeing...n-air-crashes/
which is why its a lot more than "just" a misdiagnosed trim problem.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/boeing...n-air-crashes/
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