Correct, which means the shy guy is wrong again.

How does one so consistently get it wrong?

That's why I said maybe even. It's doubtful, but this situation is unique and is a first too. Maybe a plaintiff could go after someone under the FCTA.

By that metric, COS and PIT were both pilot errors too. The buck also stops that it was a rudder hard over and was then mishandled by pulling back the yoke in both cases that increased the AOA which destroyed their chances of recovery.

https://www.nytimes.com/1975/03/12/archives/engineers-warning-on-dc10-reportedly-never-sent.html

The max problems are tragic but not unprecedented. Beginning with the Comet the realm of high speed airliner design has come with a human cost.

Yup. Another sad case in history that should have never happened. An AA DC10 cargo door blowout and the floor only partially collapsed because it wasn't a full flight and the weight wasn't as big a factor. They lost some hydraulic systems and made an emergency landing in DTW (headed to ORD originally). Nothing was done about the cargo door locking mechanism and then you had the Turkish at Paris, full flight, and this time when it blew out and the floor collapsed, it took every control/hydraulic capability and they were then doomed. So sad. It should have never happened to the Turkish after what happened to the AA flight.

More internet warriors that have already figured it all out. You guys should write to the NTSC and EAIB and tell them to stop because they're wasting time and accept your findings.

If you're making excuses for a runaway trim resulting in a crash then I have no words (allowed on this forum) by which to respond. You really shouldn't be at the controls of an airliner if you find their action remotely excusable.

But there were scary noises, and one cannot be expected to keep speed under Vmo/Mmo if scary noises are present. Only pilots are expected to do that.

Those who sit in the cockpit and let the airplane accelerate to destruction while being distracted by scary noises are...passengers.

But the Ethiopian crew wasn't so distracted that they didn't recognize the problems. They verbalized it: we know this because the cockpit voice recorder summary states that they did. They identified the false data, the cause, and the correct course of action, and they eventually took the steps to stop trim motion.

They just undid them, and failed to fly the damn airplane. Like passengers.

Yes they undid it. At the point they undid it the trim was immobile manually. Yes they should have reduced power. Nobody is saying they didn’t make mistakes. But they were put into that situation by a flawed design that should have never have been implemented or certified.

Yes, they did, although the procedure forbids it.

Which is irrelevant because the airplane was flyable, had they kept their speed in check.

The trim was controllable, it could be stopped, and whether they could use the trim wheel is irrelevant. If they stopped the trim and never moved it again, they'd be alive, if only they'd flown the airplane and kept their speed, instead of letting the airplane accelerate out of control.

Yes. Failing to do so killed them.

Of course not, because that would be a lie. Their "mistakes" killed them. And everyone else.

But, but, but...

There are a lot of "situations" that we wouldn't be in if things didn't break in aircraft.

Our job is to handle "situations" when things go wrong in aircraft.

The Ethiopian mishap was handleable, and it was flyable, and it could have been returned to the runway safely, if the crew had flown the aircraft instead of accelerated to destruction.

If you do not understand this critical and most basic of concepts, then you are a danger and a liability in the cockpit, and you are a passenger, not a pilot.

Sounds like you're getting paid to rack up those frequent flier miles, because you sound nothing like a pilot.