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Quote: Way to early to tell. Probably, they would like to modify JetBlue scope and keep the EJets running seats.
Not sure about the AS guys, but I know of about 4,100 B6 pilots who would not vote yes to any JCBA that allowed outsourced RJs. Not sure how that would work out.
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Quote: An Alaska Blue merger, my guess is management would like to modify JetBlue scope and keep the EJets running seats.
Right. Good luck with that.

This post and your previous post show just how ridiculously STUPID AS management is and the reason they will languish as an also- ran left without a seat at the adult table.
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Quote: Not sure about the AS guys, but I know of about 4,100 B6 pilots who would not vote yes to any JCBA that allowed outsourced RJs. Not sure how that would work out.
Meh. Merger's have happened with carve-outs for the existing scope allowance of the merger partner or at least some compromise. It's usually financially implausible to just ditch all FFD flying overnight, especially if you own a regional.

That's assuming the pilot group with better scope actually WANTS the merger, they often enhance the long-term prospects of both companies. Or management could offer a signing bonus.

Lots of ways to compromise, cap FFD at the existing ration vs. the combined mainline fleet, or even have a phase-out program over time.... pilots have a longer event-horizon than most managers.

But there have been M&A's which failed due to unions digging in their heels, notably OO vs. EV (round one).
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Quote: Way to early to tell. LUV, most likely would pay the penalty to Skywest and turn out the lights at QX. An Alaska Blue merger, my guess is management would like to modify JetBlue scope and keep the EJets running seats.
Agree 100%, especially LUV... they're not afraid to shut stuff down, although I'm sure they'd try to sell or spin-off QX first.
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In what fantasy land do airlines even have that kind of scratch?

The entire industry can barely keep its head above water and we are waxing about mergers that just shut down entire airlines?

The denial about furlough makes sense I guess, no one can read a balance sheet it seems.


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Quote: Meh. Merger's have happened with carve-outs for the existing scope allowance of the merger partner or at least some compromise. It's usually financially implausible to just ditch all FFD flying overnight, especially if you own a regional.

That's assuming the pilot group with better scope actually WANTS the merger, they often enhance the long-term prospects of both companies. Or management could offer a signing bonus.

Lots of ways to compromise, cap FFD at the existing ration vs. the combined mainline fleet, or even have a phase-out program over time.... pilots have a longer event-horizon than most managers.

But there have been M&A's which failed due to unions digging in their heels, notably OO vs. EV (round one).
Yeah, agree...but I think JB pilots would dig their heels in. And I get it...everybody has a price, regardless of what people say. I just think that price exceeds the cost of flying them in house. Only thing I can see people maybe being ok with is the 32 t-props.
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Quote: In what fantasy land do airlines even have that kind of scratch?

The entire industry can barely keep its head above water and we are waxing about mergers that just shut down entire airlines?

The denial about furlough makes sense I guess, no one can read a balance sheet it seems.
I think we're talking a couple/few years out, at least I am. These downturns seem to have a pretty predictable cycle, which ends with some M&A.

Also if the other alternative is Ch.11, shareholders might go for a stock-swap or the like... the better-positioned company's share-holders gets growth, the not-so-better positioned shareholders get shares that are worth something.
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Quote: Right. Good luck with that.

This post and your previous post show just how ridiculously STUPID AS management is and the reason they will languish as an also- ran left without a seat at the adult table.
I think they make plenty of money and hand out plenty of dividends to shareholders to not care. Hating a management for mistreating employees and contracts is one thing but hating them for not making money and being successful is another. But you’re probably right. You’re a pilot therefore you know more.
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Quote: I think they make plenty of money and hand out plenty of dividends to shareholders to not care. Hating a management for mistreating employees and contracts is one thing but hating them for not making money and being successful is another. But you’re probably right. You’re a pilot therefore you know more.
Beats being a dipsh*t and knowing nothing.

Why are you here?
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Quote: Beats being a dipsh*t and knowing nothing.



Why are you here?
*answers criticism with childish name calling*

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