If you want provide the cancellation rate for OO, by all means. I don’t know it or have access to it. I also don’t care. The OP is asking about MSP, I’m going to give information relevant about MSP. The OP expressed concern for the safer option - what do they mean by “safer”? That can be interpreted multiple ways. Base? Contract? Fleet guarantee? Liquidity? Career progression? Leather coat?

More importantly, what is their long term goal? If they say UA or AA, OO is probably the better the bet. If it absolutely has to be DL or bust, then 9E is the safer option as it’s contractually guaranteed. If they just want to drive to MSP until they can get hired at Sunny, then I personally would select 9E since it’s the same training center. Allot of the answers are going to be determined by what does the OP want short and long term. 9E and OO are two regional airlines that won’t be disappearing anytime soon, so potential new hires need to look at other factors.

No, not better. What percentage of flights that historically got flown are being flown now?

If you have DLnet access, feel free to go on that fishing expedition.

Endeavor isn't going anywhere for a good while. If anything, the money is on us being better career progression, pay, and benefits to support hiring and attrition. You can very very likely get msp or DTW as a new hire or within reasonable time. And the msp captain group is STUFFED with flows in the next 2 years. So upgrade time there is gonna drop like a rock.

I'll make a bold prediction because it costs me nothing. There will be junior captain upgrades (regularly) in MSP in 2 years or less.

Junior captain upgrades happened in msp last fall. All but the latest vacancies actually.

It's less for both... maybe 75-80% for each in the DL system versus two years ago.

No one is saying either airline is going to make it through without staffing issues. His point is OO already has problems managing its staffing, while 9E still can manage for now.

December is the most recent numbers I can grab without putting in actual effort 😛 so this is what I see:

SKW:
21,429 Delta Connection departures
850 Delta Connection cancellations
~3.9%

EDV:
22,589 Delta Connection departures
27 Delta Connection cancellations
~0.01%

I’m not even surprised this is brought up suddenly now 😂😂. That recent stretch from December through mid January had to be the worse cancellation % in the OO’s history if you don’t count back to when the country was shut down in April of 2020.

Anyways, attrition will continue at all regionals, I’d say both 9E and OO survives whatever the future has in store. OO has staffing issues because they’re trying to grow or at least hold the daily departures, it’s all about profits. We have 5,700 pilots on our seniority list, the problem is Captain staffing due to attrition atm.

I personally don’t see growth at OO if they don’t find a way to create an insensitive for Captains to stay. I’m sure 9E has the same issue, which is why I bet something gets through successfully in your current negotiations.

Does EDV require all their new hires (non R-ATP) to show up to class with exactly 1500, or are they like some of the other regionals that are fine with you showing up with a little less, and logging your sim time (in the CRJ and/or the ATP-CTP course) to fulfill those minimums?

I showed up with 1480TT.