We have a pilot attrition problem

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Quote: Traditionally yes. Barring a lockdown 2.0, it’s not gonna be a big deal. Nobody hired today is gonna get frozen out of anything. 5-6 yrs from now will be a different story after the retirements peak. Also, United was considering furloughing 15+ year pilots. 1-2 weeks ain’t a big deal.

Of course learning that the check was guaranteed, if the new hires know this, changes things. Get out now. However, I also wouldn’t trust the company or ALPA to not play games and not pay out. Just my .02 which won’t even get you a piece of gum these days.
Can't fix stupid...
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Quote: Can't fix stupid...

i can only hope to be Gods gift to aviation you seem to think you are. The rest of us pale in comparison to your genius.
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Quote: i can only hope to be Gods gift to aviation you seem to think you are. The rest of us pale in comparison to your genius.
to turn down a class for a measly 2-4K would be the dumbest thing ever done. One class can mean the difference of getting furloughed or not.
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Quote: i can only hope to be Gods gift to aviation you seem to think you are. The rest of us pale in comparison to your genius.
I tried to lead the horse to water, but it didn't care to drink it. Lessons only work if you learn them.
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Quote: to turn down a class for a measly 2-4K would be the dumbest thing ever done. One class can mean the difference of getting furloughed or not.
Minus taxes... It's beyond short sided.
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Quote: Minus taxes... It's beyond short sided.

And also short-sighted.
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I’m glad you guys let the rare exception rule your lives. Of the 10s of thousands of pilots currently flying…….of the hundreds of thousands that have ever flown, how many had the perfect storm come together that 2 weeks made any significant difference. If we are this good at knowing the future, why are we still airline pilots. But I will humbly return to my corner and rely on you geniuses to tell the rest of us rubes how life works.
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Quote: I’m glad you guys let the rare exception rule your lives. Of the 10s of thousands of pilots currently flying…….of the hundreds of thousands that have ever flown, how many had the perfect storm come together that 2 weeks made any significant difference. If we are this good at knowing the future, why are we still airline pilots. But I will humbly return to my corner and rely on you geniuses to tell the rest of us rubes how life works.
Myself and a guy hired in the class after me both wanted the same base because we lived there. I got it out of training. Took him almost two years to get the award via system bid.

My place does line bidding. There’s a line that has all layovers where I live. A dude two classes before me also lives near here and wants that line. As long as we are on the same equipment I will NEVER get that award.

You never really know what the effect is going to be until you’re experiencing it.
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It’s not just starting at the bottom of a list you’ll need to consider… it’s waiting a month or two at an airline where you’ll never make top of scale and comparing that to the last month or two at your final airline (age 64 and change).

Mathematically… If you delay your class date two months for a $4000 payout, you are actually giving up your final two months of pay at your retirement airline.

No matter when you start, you’ll still get your first paycheck. The paycheck you don’t get is the one at the end. So if you’re going to an airline where you can reasonably expect to retire a wide body captain, then the paychecks you will miss out on are those last paychecks… wide body captain, top of the pay scale.
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Quote: It’s not just starting at the bottom of a list you’ll need to consider… it’s waiting a month or two at an airline where you’ll never make top of scale and comparing that to the last month or two at your final airline (age 64 and change).

Mathematically… If you delay your class date two months for a $4000 payout, you are actually giving up your final two months of pay at your retirement airline.

No matter when you start, you’ll still get your first paycheck. The paycheck you don’t get is the one at the end. So if you’re going to an airline where you can reasonably expect to retire a wide body captain, then the paychecks you will miss out on are those last paychecks… wide body captain, top of the pay scale.
This is probably the only valid reason to not wait months. However, I’m not talking about people waiting months. We just settled. We are getting paid in a day or 2. Pilots are coming here with 35+ yrs left in the industry. When they leave, they will spend 20+ yrs at the top of the pay scale at a legacy, if they choose to work until 65. 1 or 2 paychecks out of 480 isn’t much if they are enjoying getting paid to travel and vacation while they wait on IOE.
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