We have a pilot attrition problem
04-30-2022, 10:07 PM
#71
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Originally Posted by ClncClarence
Myself and a guy hired in the class after me both wanted the same base because we lived there. I got it out of training. Took him almost two years to get the award via system bid.
My place does line bidding. There’s a line that has all layovers where I live. A dude two classes before me also lives near here and wants that line. As long as we are on the same equipment I will NEVER get that award.
You never really know what the effect is going to be until you’re experiencing it.
My place does line bidding. There’s a line that has all layovers where I live. A dude two classes before me also lives near here and wants that line. As long as we are on the same equipment I will NEVER get that award.
You never really know what the effect is going to be until you’re experiencing it.
Last edited by RegionalRetread; 04-30-2022 at 10:27 PM.
04-30-2022, 10:32 PM
#72
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And this concludes my annual review of APC. I’ll see everyone in a year for the next episode of the Maury Povich show. I’m sure it will be the usual suspects regurgitating they same tripe trying to convince the rest of us only THEY are smart enough to know how to navigate this industry. 🤣🤣🤣. Thanks for the laugh.
05-01-2022, 05:30 AM
#74
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by RegionalRetread
This is probably the only valid reason to not wait months. However, I’m not talking about people waiting months. We just settled. We are getting paid in a day or 2. Pilots are coming here with 35+ yrs left in the industry. When they leave, they will spend 20+ yrs at the top of the pay scale at a legacy, if they choose to work until 65. 1 or 2 paychecks out of 480 isn’t much if they are enjoying getting paid to travel and vacation while they wait on IOE.
I have flown with guys, many of them, who can no longer hold the trips they used to because guys from the class before them moved into base. They complain about it, regularly. That's one example of many.
Giving up a class date at your forever airline, for a couple thousand dollars, is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Possibly worse than buying yourself a Miata as gift for captain upgrade. It's a toss up.
05-01-2022, 05:52 AM
#75
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Giving up a class date at your forever airline, for a couple thousand dollars, is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Possibly worse than buying yourself a Miata as gift for captain upgrade. It's a toss up.
05-01-2022, 10:26 AM
#77
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
No, there are LOTS of reasons, you just can't understand them or are justifying a bad decision.
I have flown with guys, many of them, who can no longer hold the trips they used to because guys from the class before them moved into base. They complain about it, regularly. That's one example of many.
Giving up a class date at your forever airline, for a couple thousand dollars, is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Possibly worse than buying yourself a Miata as gift for captain upgrade. It's a toss up.
I have flown with guys, many of them, who can no longer hold the trips they used to because guys from the class before them moved into base. They complain about it, regularly. That's one example of many.
Giving up a class date at your forever airline, for a couple thousand dollars, is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Possibly worse than buying yourself a Miata as gift for captain upgrade. It's a toss up.
05-01-2022, 02:02 PM
#78
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by RegionalRetread
🤣🤣🤣. I wasn’t sure it would be possible to find anyone more opinionated, ignorant or arrogant than Steve M on potato farm. Congratulations.
And, let me prove how stupid it really is to delay classes for a couple thousand bucks. Would you sell 50-100 seniority numbers for $2,000?
I wouldn't, and not sure a single pilot at their final company would ever actually do that.
Last edited by Bluedriver; 05-01-2022 at 02:25 PM.
05-01-2022, 03:19 PM
#79
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Ignorant? You seem to be the one not grasping what several others have tried to show you.
And, let me prove how stupid it really is to delay classes for a couple thousand bucks. Would you sell 50-100 seniority numbers for $2,000?
I wouldn't, and not sure a single pilot at their final company would ever actually do that.
And, let me prove how stupid it really is to delay classes for a couple thousand bucks. Would you sell 50-100 seniority numbers for $2,000?
I wouldn't, and not sure a single pilot at their final company would ever actually do that.
Yes, your simplistic excuse is ignorant. But you do you boo. Hopefully I don’t have to sit in a cockpit with you at any point in my last 15 years in the industry.
05-01-2022, 03:40 PM
#80
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Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by RegionalRetread
The only grasping I see is people grasping at straws trying to prove the exception is the rule. 10s of thousands of pilots have had zero issue in their career. A few hundred might have. I’m sure your example above of guys not being able to bid specific trips (or get the line they want to bid) “because of 1 class” is a more overnights at home because they don’t live in base issue. Living out of base and sacrificing time at home has nothing to do with seniority number. You’re just trying to justify other **** poor decisions and blame some random event of fate to absolve yourself.
Yes, your simplistic excuse is ignorant. But you do you boo. Hopefully I don’t have to sit in a cockpit with you at any point in my last 15 years in the industry.
Yes, your simplistic excuse is ignorant. But you do you boo. Hopefully I don’t have to sit in a cockpit with you at any point in my last 15 years in the industry.
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