We have a pilot attrition problem
04-30-2022, 02:20 PM
#61
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Originally Posted by RegionalRetread
Traditionally yes. Barring a lockdown 2.0, it’s not gonna be a big deal. Nobody hired today is gonna get frozen out of anything. 5-6 yrs from now will be a different story after the retirements peak. Also, United was considering furloughing 15+ year pilots. 1-2 weeks ain’t a big deal.
Of course learning that the check was guaranteed, if the new hires know this, changes things. Get out now. However, I also wouldn’t trust the company or ALPA to not play games and not pay out. Just my .02 which won’t even get you a piece of gum these days.
Of course learning that the check was guaranteed, if the new hires know this, changes things. Get out now. However, I also wouldn’t trust the company or ALPA to not play games and not pay out. Just my .02 which won’t even get you a piece of gum these days.
04-30-2022, 07:03 PM
#63
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Originally Posted by RegionalRetread
i can only hope to be Gods gift to aviation you seem to think you are. The rest of us pale in comparison to your genius.
04-30-2022, 07:13 PM
#64
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Originally Posted by RegionalRetread
i can only hope to be Gods gift to aviation you seem to think you are. The rest of us pale in comparison to your genius.
04-30-2022, 07:14 PM
#65
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Originally Posted by SaintNick
to turn down a class for a measly 2-4K would be the dumbest thing ever done. One class can mean the difference of getting furloughed or not.
04-30-2022, 07:42 PM
#67
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I’m glad you guys let the rare exception rule your lives. Of the 10s of thousands of pilots currently flying…….of the hundreds of thousands that have ever flown, how many had the perfect storm come together that 2 weeks made any significant difference. If we are this good at knowing the future, why are we still airline pilots. But I will humbly return to my corner and rely on you geniuses to tell the rest of us rubes how life works.
04-30-2022, 09:08 PM
#68
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Originally Posted by RegionalRetread
I’m glad you guys let the rare exception rule your lives. Of the 10s of thousands of pilots currently flying…….of the hundreds of thousands that have ever flown, how many had the perfect storm come together that 2 weeks made any significant difference. If we are this good at knowing the future, why are we still airline pilots. But I will humbly return to my corner and rely on you geniuses to tell the rest of us rubes how life works.
My place does line bidding. There’s a line that has all layovers where I live. A dude two classes before me also lives near here and wants that line. As long as we are on the same equipment I will NEVER get that award.
You never really know what the effect is going to be until you’re experiencing it.
04-30-2022, 09:30 PM
#69
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It’s not just starting at the bottom of a list you’ll need to consider… it’s waiting a month or two at an airline where you’ll never make top of scale and comparing that to the last month or two at your final airline (age 64 and change).
Mathematically… If you delay your class date two months for a $4000 payout, you are actually giving up your final two months of pay at your retirement airline.
No matter when you start, you’ll still get your first paycheck. The paycheck you don’t get is the one at the end. So if you’re going to an airline where you can reasonably expect to retire a wide body captain, then the paychecks you will miss out on are those last paychecks… wide body captain, top of the pay scale.
Mathematically… If you delay your class date two months for a $4000 payout, you are actually giving up your final two months of pay at your retirement airline.
No matter when you start, you’ll still get your first paycheck. The paycheck you don’t get is the one at the end. So if you’re going to an airline where you can reasonably expect to retire a wide body captain, then the paychecks you will miss out on are those last paychecks… wide body captain, top of the pay scale.
04-30-2022, 09:57 PM
#70
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Originally Posted by Boomer
It’s not just starting at the bottom of a list you’ll need to consider… it’s waiting a month or two at an airline where you’ll never make top of scale and comparing that to the last month or two at your final airline (age 64 and change).
Mathematically… If you delay your class date two months for a $4000 payout, you are actually giving up your final two months of pay at your retirement airline.
No matter when you start, you’ll still get your first paycheck. The paycheck you don’t get is the one at the end. So if you’re going to an airline where you can reasonably expect to retire a wide body captain, then the paychecks you will miss out on are those last paychecks… wide body captain, top of the pay scale.
Mathematically… If you delay your class date two months for a $4000 payout, you are actually giving up your final two months of pay at your retirement airline.
No matter when you start, you’ll still get your first paycheck. The paycheck you don’t get is the one at the end. So if you’re going to an airline where you can reasonably expect to retire a wide body captain, then the paychecks you will miss out on are those last paychecks… wide body captain, top of the pay scale.
Last edited by RegionalRetread; 04-30-2022 at 10:22 PM.
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