Why is it unrealistic for an AMF pilot to expect to go directly to a legacy? I figured the twin turbine PIC (especially in the brasilia or the 1900) + the current shortage would be enough for this to be reasonable.
Is the lack of 121 experience really that much of a killer?

To a legacy carrier? Right now it's zero, flat out no chance. Give it a few years and maybe they will be desperate enough for warm bodies. You won't even see people go from AMF to SWA, AS or JB. I bet you can count on two hands the people that have gone to Spirit and Allegiant and Frontier.

Allegiant/Frontier are your best bets as they have some preferential interview programs. I think all the AMF programs will lock you in for 3 years before you can do anything so keep that in mind. I know people have gone to Allegiant, Frontier, Omni and Atlas from AMF but not in large numbers. Don't pick AMF as a means to look great on a resume, pick it because you want to fly sorta single pilot ops in older airplanes.

Wipe legacy carriers from the lexicon.

Been saying this for years. They are now flow though programs.

He isn't arguing whether a flow is right for AMF or not, he is saying that the "flow" programs as AMF states, are indeed not flow programs, and he is 100% correct. There is no perhaps, or sorta, or maybe.

I agree with the issue of a flow and not possibly having the applicant match the culture of the new company, that happens at American all the time, but regardless what AMF sells as a flow, is not a flow, not even close.

You sound a bit like a recruiter, "just go to UPS!" Yea easier said than done, in fact way easier said than done. How many people have gone to UPS since the program was announced years ago?

Oh and btw I am not sure I know anyone that goes to legacy to merely "progress." The money is greater no matter what seat you're in, than almost any corporate job and especially long term, isn't even close.

I do agree with you though, not everyone wants to go to the airlines.

The programs wasn't announce "years ago." It was announced the beginning of this year. And the first people into the mentoring phase, which is a year long, will finish that portion in January. So no one has gone to UPS via the program. Basically because the program hasn't existed long enough. But three people will go there in January. And a couple more three months after that. And so on.

The first UPS program was announced June of last year. And they aren’t “going there,” they will get an interview.

People are GOING there in January? Or people are INTERVIEWING there in January?
Huge difference.

They are interviewing. However, they are spending time this year with a UPS mentor and doing things that UPS asks of them. So it's not like a walk in off the street, even with an internal rec. From what UPS has told us, if they get to that point it is pretty much theirs to lose.

The first UPS program had nothing to do with pilots hired direct to AMF. It was interns that were already UPS employees. And still ARE UPS employees, as far as I know. So those ones pretty much are guaranteed to go unless they screw something up while they are here.

The program for AMF pilots was announced officially last November.

It’s a good incentive program for sure. And an excellent foot in the door for the interview. But every interview is the applicants to lose. If the 3,000 hour AMF pilot is getting compared against the 6,000 hour military pilot, hows that gonna go? So you waste 3 years at AMF only to be told you aren’t as qualified as the other applicants?

It’s a long process just for an interview.