Yea I'm done arguing numbers. You will skew the numbers to match your argument , I was giving a realistic estimate. If I wanted to skew the #s to the other side I could say that the health insurance increases don't hit 35% for 5 years from jets hitting the property and most F/Os will be Captains or at AA by then, but no we have to think about the worst possible scenario because that's definitely what's going to happen if we vote this in right? Wrong.

I'm a realist, and living in the reality of the situation I can completely understand voting NO or YES on this LOA. But vote NO or YES for the right reasons.

Vote NO because you want to stand up for the industry and stop the trend of pay caps and health insurance increases. Don't vote NO because you think you are taking some kind of pay cut, I assure you, you're not.

Heidi? Is that you?

I hope the PDT pilots have balls and tell the company to go fish. Where are they going to get pilots in this environment. Stand strong and stand together because the reality is the company will have to merge operations to keep everything going as they lose pilots to all the majors hiring.

It's a pay raise for anyone at PDT! So there's no concessions!!! Alligiant and Virgin America should demand delta and American rates!

I'm gonna buy a new car once this is voted in. Extra grand!! I've always dreamed of a BMW.

Omg! Found out I'm not a Pdt pilot :-(

Never has never will be! Blame ALPA!! My 1300 a year got me no unity.

Amen Reverend. I'm not passing up my opportunity, that's for sure, It may not be perfect but how much different could the end result look. Then we miss our chance, so sorry I'm not that nice. Respect is an intangible benefit to me, my career is not. I appreciate y'all but I think you are dead-ended. I've got to make the right choice for myself. Yes, it is about me, and my co-workers and our future.

I'm don't have the TA here, but i thought the flow was only 36/yr. am I wrong on that. If not 36x5 is only 180. And if you are unable to attract 180 new hire will they honor the flow at that rate or less?

I know envoy has a guarantee of x% of new hire slots and AAG hasn't been honoring that.

Yeah, but the top 100 according to him will not flow. That was said about the 824 and I've seen people with more than 55yrs old flowing into AA.

But that's ok, because we are all wrong. They are just blind and projecting "realistically" as stand now, not in the future. So 100 not flowing, in 5 years means that #280 on the seniority list now will be flowing.

They don't believe that people will not jump from PDT because they are in line for the flow. Ask how many PSA guys are leaving to other places? Most of them are waiting for their interview, or upgrade.

So, at the end is just a hiring and retention tool.

Yes it is minimum 3 per month or 36 per year. At least 50-60 will decline to opt-in for flow. 1/2-2/3 of list or better should flow in 5 years. Nothing exactly saying anything about backfill requirements, only increasing flow to one more per month for each additional 125 hired. That's my take.