starts on the 20th i believe.

You sir are wrong.

Almost without exception the new hire FO's I have been flying with have been from MSP and NWA was there first if not only choice. The few that weren't from MSP were Mesaba or Pinnacle guys who lived in and around DTW. Oh, and there was the one whos father was a Northwest pilot.

The vast majority are Minnesotans who love the Twins. I would say there are many more than 15 of them because most of the ones I have flown with have to come fly out of Detroit as DC-9 FO Blockholders because they can't hold reserve out of Minneapolis. In fact, I think most of them could hold 320 FO out of DTW, but not DC-9 FO out of MSP. MSP is the senior DC-9 FO base because of all the new hires whos dream was to fly for their hometown airline.


So, not surprisingly, your assumption is wrong. Not only are they not crazy, they are highly qualified, exceptional pilots, and I think you owe them an internet apology for insinuating that they are some kind of Delta reject.

I wonder though about you and Delta Air Lines. What does the fact that Delta hired you say about their hiring process? How could they hire someone who has such an air of superiority and such a desire for confrontation? What process did you get thru that allowed them to hire someone who at many times I wondered if I was dealing with a major airline pilot or his 8 year old son? If you wondered if NWA new hires were DAL rejects I KNOW Northwest never would have hired you.

The problem is that not only are you giving your airline -- soon to be mine -- a bad name, you are giving this profession a bad name. Stop.

New K Now

Winston Smith = SpacemanSpliff

He continues to attempt to destroy any reasonable discussions with his flamebait posts.

Give me a break!

You're not really going to start this BS, are you?

I would have gone to NWA in a heartbeat, and so would you!

The only difference between 99% of Delta & NWA pilots is who called them first for the interview and hired them!


Kevin
Delta pilot by default...

Isn't winston aka. spaceman a minnesota native or commuter out of msp?

-Add gasoline to fire When I was hired, NWA was the last major without a B Scale...

Carl,

Read the transcript carefully. The DALPA team did not try to tear down Northwest as a franchise. They only said that Northwest management had a plan in bankruptcy to replace their aging, fuel guzzling DC-9's with RJ's. The record shows that that is exactly what Northwest is doing. It is good for the franchise, but bad for pilot expectations at Northwest. There is some reason why your negotiators came up with a FURLOUGH MITIGATION agreement, my guess it was because the company was about to furlough excess pilots caused by the DC-9's going away. I am sure you have some other explanation.

Interestingly, the Delta pilots waived a portion of their contract that would have forced management to hire pilots to fill the MD-88 first officer positions. Let's see, one airline needs to hire, one airline needs to furlough, I wonder how that will work out. I just can't think of any solution that could possibly work. Why would the Delta pilots hold off on new hires?

Dead on. I have been saying this since before the LOA came out. I have said it since the day the NWA group signed their LOA cnxing their displacements. It is a good thing. There is no need to have you guys go through two training cycles that are not needed. Give it a few months. Good thing is that with the AE out some of you may get the ER in NYC or better. There will probably not definitely be some holes on wide body a/c.
Fact is that is any 96-00 hires are still on the Mad Dog most will stay put and wait until they can hold CA.

A few things on this. I rarely agree with Spiff, but he has a point. This did happen. I know of at least three guys that were turned down from DAL and went to NWA, interviewed, were hired, and are on the seniority list now.

What I disagree with is this. It is 100% totally inconsequential that they went to NWA after being turned down at DAL. How many of us were shot down somewhere and got hired somewhere else. None of those guys that this happened to deserved to get shot down here. They were all awesome sticks and great individuals. For one reason or another they failed here. Heck if you think to much in the psyche process you get flagged. You mess with the MMPI you get flagged. DAL is a very legal company. Lets just leave it at that.
I will promise you 100% that there will not be a word of this discussed in the arbitration. If it is, it is because we as DALPA screwed up and are grabbing at straws. These guys have flown a revenue flight and are protected under the RLA. End of story.
Guess what same thing happened with the Western merger. DAL did nothing about it. Those guys are now 767 CA's and are awesome. You can tell who they are the second they walk in to the flight deck. Believe it or not good people do get turned down.
I personally would love DAL to go back to the two strike process it had back in 01. It is a big deal to interview here, or anywhere else. Everyone makes a mistake. Heck there are a few that have gotten through that DAL regrets. It is what it is.
I am glad to see these guys come over here. It will be great for them. They will no longer have to commute if they choose not to. That is a great benefit for them.
The issue is the one or two that are still swimming in the pool at NWA that this happened to. What DAL does with the NWA pool is up for debate. Suffice to say Flt Ops. has no control over it. It is in the hands of DAL legal.

Why don't you do that dtfl. I'll look forward to those posts.

Carl