What I am saying is that the high premium US market is mature and managing our position in this market has more to do with keeping our tickets at a premium price by scarcity. On the other hand, the expansion of the business (read multiple revenue stream corporation) is about access to markets and the management of our subsidiaries and optimizing those relationships. In other words the work here is done and management has moved on to greener pastures like credit cards, MRO and foreign operations outside the scope (for now) of the widget.

I can answer at least the Chicago question with a refrence......go look at the UAL APC forum on advance entitlements.......we are sucking on the third, malnourished teet in ORD.....to hope for more milk is a fools errand......IMHO

I can answer at least the Chicago question with a reference......go look at the UAL APC forum on advance entitlements.......we are sucking on the third, malnourished teet in ORD.....to hope for more milk is a fools errand......IMHO

The list of US cities Virgin plans to add includes Chicago. How do you explain Virgin’s ability to fly that but call it a fool’s errand for us?

Didn't Delta fly ORD-Europe within the past few years?

We alternated with AirFrance ORD to CDG. We flew it in the off season with a 767 since AF did not have a suitable airframe for winter. We used AF’s slot.

While its a "setback" does anyone know what the cause was? Was that door or around it redesigned in any way? That seems like one of the least likely things to be redone. So it *seems* like there was just a mistake or defect in that one part on that one plane that one time. If that's the case it would just end up being just a reasonable delay one would think.

They have to prove the fault, find a fix and retest. If there is a flaw in that one air frame, how did it get there? Assembly flaw, design flaw, testing flaw, I'm not sure they have any answers yet.

Maybe not but its such a robust, quality and venerable design that something as standard as a door being a big issue suddenly doesn't add up.

Hope they get to the bottom of it.

Hopefully it was a redesign like a bigger door or something. Otherwise Wouldn’t it just follow that this could be an issue with the cargo doors on all 777s?