Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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Leave your category and go to NY 320 or 737. I’m sure you’ll appreciate your 26hr layovers.
So yes, we need more 26-30hrs overnights. More productivity means more legs, longer duty periods, posible extensions, less time in the overnights.
24+ hr overnights = more commutable trips, fly 15-18hrs in 5 days and get payed 26. This summer, most of my rotations were equal on credit/block time. It sucks and I’m still burned from the summer flying. My monthly lines were 17 days off and the amount of reroute and shenanigans were over the line.
I think you should change the way you bid, leave those overnights to the people that really appreciate them.
So yes, we need more 26-30hrs overnights. More productivity means more legs, longer duty periods, posible extensions, less time in the overnights.
24+ hr overnights = more commutable trips, fly 15-18hrs in 5 days and get payed 26. This summer, most of my rotations were equal on credit/block time. It sucks and I’m still burned from the summer flying. My monthly lines were 17 days off and the amount of reroute and shenanigans were over the line.
I think you should change the way you bid, leave those overnights to the people that really appreciate them.
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
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I bid for 24+... maybe I’m weird. Normally it’s a -grand,Ville,falls,boro.... but it’s different. See a city for a day, good workout, a local restaurant, great nights sleep... BUT, it’s normally a trip with a better credit:block ratio by a good bit. You can knock out the “administrative” to do list, without chores. Typically 1-2 a month with a 30+ at home for another trip. Makes the month pretty slick until the double DH RR. Sure, I’d love a min day, but everyone can bid on what they want. Ironically, my home base layovers tend to go senior to me for trips mid week, so it’s not just me who likes them where I live.
Agreed. I love this career not only for the flying but also for long layovers in a variety of cities. I still miss the absolutely wonderful trips I had on the 737 in NYC. Obviously different strokes for different folks but flying 7+ hour days and short overnights to get more days off at home is not my idea of fun.
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
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You're not talking to brick walls, you're talking with people who simply disagree. I really wish they'd plug our "desired" min day into Carmen and spit out a bid packet for each category to see how many would like them...I'm guessing many would not. The problem with packing that much flying into a trip is that we need the extra days off to recover, especially as we age. In my current category we have 3-days worth 26+12...9 days gone and you're done. Sounds great, until you realize you're body is wrecked and you need the day after to recover, so it might as well be 12 days of flying. Of course if you're a commuter this may be desirable, except that this trip has a early sign-in so you're coming in the day prior anyway.
When I first got on the 73N, we had a packet full of 4 leg, 4 day trips. Nice long layovers in good spots with a few hours of credit. I even flew a 3 leg, 4 day. But my absolute favorite trip was a 2 leg, 2 day, SAN or PHX overnight with a 18 hour layover. Hands down, the most lesiurely trip I've ever had. If they hadn't gotten rid of them, I'd probably still be on the 73N. But alas, the optimizer got fired up and they started tagging DCA/BWI turns on either end of the trip which made it a long freaking day and gave no time to enjoy the overnight. The 4 leg, 4 days all but dried up and the trips started flying A LOT more block, with a crap ton of < 15 hour layovers, which were not desirable to me.
I just opened up the 73N/320/7ER bid packets for my base...yuck. I say yes, they could use some more long layovers. Way too many 3 leg days with < 16 hour layovers. I sure hope we don't pass anything that entices them to pack even more flying into those trips. I'd like to bid back down to NB Captain some day, but not with the crappy trips we have right now.
When I first got on the 73N, we had a packet full of 4 leg, 4 day trips. Nice long layovers in good spots with a few hours of credit. I even flew a 3 leg, 4 day. But my absolute favorite trip was a 2 leg, 2 day, SAN or PHX overnight with a 18 hour layover. Hands down, the most lesiurely trip I've ever had. If they hadn't gotten rid of them, I'd probably still be on the 73N. But alas, the optimizer got fired up and they started tagging DCA/BWI turns on either end of the trip which made it a long freaking day and gave no time to enjoy the overnight. The 4 leg, 4 days all but dried up and the trips started flying A LOT more block, with a crap ton of < 15 hour layovers, which were not desirable to me.
I just opened up the 73N/320/7ER bid packets for my base...yuck. I say yes, they could use some more long layovers. Way too many 3 leg days with < 16 hour layovers. I sure hope we don't pass anything that entices them to pack even more flying into those trips. I'd like to bid back down to NB Captain some day, but not with the crappy trips we have right now.
Agreed. I love this career not only for the flying but also for long layovers in a variety of cities. I still miss the absolutely wonderful trips I had on the 737 in NYC. Obviously different strokes for different folks but flying 7+ hour days and short overnights to get more days off at home is not my idea of fun.
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The optimizer is probably the worse thing to happen to our qol since making the summer months 30 day bid periods. My qol is at an all-time low at this company and I'm in the top 20 percent of my category. I've started working a Saturday or Sunday here or there because the weekday trips are so bad.
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The optimizer is probably the worse thing to happen to our qol since making the summer months 30 day bid periods. My qol is at an all-time low at this company and I'm in the top 20 percent of my category. I've started working a Saturday or Sunday here or there because the weekday trips are so bad.
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Side effect of that: the PWA provision that requires the first legal deadhead forces messed up redeye+deadhead trips when credit can’t be spent to avoid them. This stuff needs to be fixed at the contract level
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