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If your take on it is right (I disagree) then holiday pay will make little difference except for pilots unstacked (or choose to work) over the holiday will get a small bonus and uncovered trips will still get covered by reserves and GS”s.
The only reason to oppose this proposal is because there is likely (my contention) to be far less trips that aren’t bid and filled and flown due to the override.
I have two very senior JB friends who fly a west coast redeye trips every departing Xmas night because of their override. They wouldn’t bid that trip at any other time if it weren’t for the override. Somewhere at JB is a junior captain who gets to stay home all Xmas because senior pilots followsthe money. Arguably both are more happy.
The only reason to oppose this proposal is because there is likely (my contention) to be far less trips that aren’t bid and filled and flown due to the override.
I have two very senior JB friends who fly a west coast redeye trips every departing Xmas night because of their override. They wouldn’t bid that trip at any other time if it weren’t for the override. Somewhere at JB is a junior captain who gets to stay home all Xmas because senior pilots followsthe money. Arguably both are more happy.
What does dark purple mean on 1 RES day (out of several consecutive) on the PBS awards mean? I bid RES and on these days anyway.
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Gets Weekends Off
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The coverage process only gave you one day, but then the rest of the PBS bid award process filled in to give you a legal award in accordance with your bid.
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Full service bank question.
I have hours in bank, and am well past ALV this month. I wanted to try the "buy vacation days" options, 3 and 4. Tried both options (current vacation year, and next), both times I get a red message saying I'm not eligible.
Any idea why not? Any reference as to the rules on this would be appreciated.
Grazie
I have hours in bank, and am well past ALV this month. I wanted to try the "buy vacation days" options, 3 and 4. Tried both options (current vacation year, and next), both times I get a red message saying I'm not eligible.
Any idea why not? Any reference as to the rules on this would be appreciated.
Grazie
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Your logic is flawed. You assume the bidders who can hold a holiday off would then obligate to fly over a holiday because its a 'sure thing' at a lower pay rate.
Not likely.
Pilots who can hold holidays off....bid them off primarily because they want the days off. Its pretty simple to figure out.
If you are accurate in whats goin on...its only a narrow slice of reality that has this issue. A narrow demographic in small categories.
Its not likely holiday pay is gona have any meaningful impact in those situations.
Not likely.
Pilots who can hold holidays off....bid them off primarily because they want the days off. Its pretty simple to figure out.
If you are accurate in whats goin on...its only a narrow slice of reality that has this issue. A narrow demographic in small categories.
Its not likely holiday pay is gona have any meaningful impact in those situations.
Can you actually point to any logic why this wouldn't work? You are making statements of fact that don't really follow with pilot group behavior and then accusing those on the other side of ulterior motives.
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I've flown with enough pilots who were on greenslips who told me they bid off for whatever holiday with the idea of getting said greenslip that you are just making this argument up as you go along. Your logic doesn't make sense other than that you want to frame this as a money grab by junior pilots. Let's say even if that is the case, what is the problem with a pay bonus for pilots working the holiday? Is it because you wouldn't be able to have the holiday off and get the pay bonus at the same time? Even if it was a smaller number it would have an affect (although a larger number would tend to attract more bidders who go for greenslips now).
Can you actually point to any logic why this wouldn't work? You are making statements of fact that don't really follow with pilot group behavior and then accusing those on the other side of ulterior motives.
Can you actually point to any logic why this wouldn't work? You are making statements of fact that don't really follow with pilot group behavior and then accusing those on the other side of ulterior motives.
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I've flown with enough pilots who were on greenslips who told me they bid off for whatever holiday with the idea of getting said greenslip that you are just making this argument up as you go along. Your logic doesn't make sense other than that you want to frame this as a money grab by junior pilots. Let's say even if that is the case, what is the problem with a pay bonus for pilots working the holiday? Is it because you wouldn't be able to have the holiday off and get the pay bonus at the same time? Even if it was a smaller number it would have an affect (although a larger number would tend to attract more bidders who go for greenslips now).
Can you actually point to any logic why this wouldn't work? You are making statements of fact that don't really follow with pilot group behavior and then accusing those on the other side of ulterior motives.
Can you actually point to any logic why this wouldn't work? You are making statements of fact that don't really follow with pilot group behavior and then accusing those on the other side of ulterior motives.
Like i said...advocate for the override if you want. Just dont try and blow everbodys skirt up its for some motive other than $$ or getting something you selfishly want that you cant get now.
Nothing wrong with self interest.
Logic? If there wer no holiday gs or 1.5 pay....how many senior bidders are working holidays? Ya...probably zero.
Senior bidders are going to bid holidays off in any case. Its simple.
Your hope is senior bidders will bid a holiday trip at 1.5 to get you something you cant get now. senior bidders dont have to rely on holidays to acess premium.
We are not JB. 1.5 for gs has been tried in the past. Guess what? Lot less pilots answered the fone.
Not ulterior motives. Just dont be disappointed the expected behaviorial changes arent realized.
Like i said...advocate for the override if you want. Just dont try and blow everbodys skirt up its for some motive other than $$ or getting something you selfishly want that you cant get now.
Nothing wrong with self interest.
Logic? If there wer no holiday gs or 1.5 pay....how many senior bidders are working holidays? Ya...probably zero.
Senior bidders are going to bid holidays off in any case. Its simple.
Your hope is senior bidders will bid a holiday trip at 1.5 to get you something you cant get now.
We are not JB. 1.5 for gs has been tried in the past. Guess what? Lot less pilots answered the fone.
Like i said...advocate for the override if you want. Just dont try and blow everbodys skirt up its for some motive other than $$ or getting something you selfishly want that you cant get now.
Nothing wrong with self interest.
Logic? If there wer no holiday gs or 1.5 pay....how many senior bidders are working holidays? Ya...probably zero.
Senior bidders are going to bid holidays off in any case. Its simple.
Your hope is senior bidders will bid a holiday trip at 1.5 to get you something you cant get now.
We are not JB. 1.5 for gs has been tried in the past. Guess what? Lot less pilots answered the fone.
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Not ulterior motives. Just dont be disappointed the expected behaviorial changes arent realized.
Like i said...advocate for the override if you want. Just dont try and blow everbodys skirt up its for some motive other than $$ or getting something you selfishly want that you cant get now.
Nothing wrong with self interest.
Logic? If there wer no holiday gs or 1.5 pay....how many senior bidders are working holidays? Ya...probably zero.
Senior bidders are going to bid holidays off in any case. Its simple.
Your hope is senior bidders will bid a holiday trip at 1.5 to get you something you cant get now. senior bidders dont have to rely on holidays to acess premium.
We are not JB. 1.5 for gs has been tried in the past. Guess what? Lot less pilots answered the fone.
Like i said...advocate for the override if you want. Just dont try and blow everbodys skirt up its for some motive other than $$ or getting something you selfishly want that you cant get now.
Nothing wrong with self interest.
Logic? If there wer no holiday gs or 1.5 pay....how many senior bidders are working holidays? Ya...probably zero.
Senior bidders are going to bid holidays off in any case. Its simple.
Your hope is senior bidders will bid a holiday trip at 1.5 to get you something you cant get now. senior bidders dont have to rely on holidays to acess premium.
We are not JB. 1.5 for gs has been tried in the past. Guess what? Lot less pilots answered the fone.
I work in a wb category and I am positive that senior pilots in my category (most well in their 60s and don’t cherish the holiday day as much) would jump on the opportunity to bid for an override trip in pbs.
BTW every holiday I notice that when the gs starts to flow, like always they go uber senior, that’s great, they’ve earned it. Seniority wins the day in pbs as well so nobody is abrogating your station except to allow those who want to bid for those trips.
We are not JB, does that mean we are not allowed to improve our contract based on best practices and QOL for pilots because someone else thought of it or implemented it first?
The fact that JB has it and our FAs have it etc shows that it is obviously beneficial to both the pilots and the company.
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