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Old 07-14-2019 | 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyDog
GS carryover question. On July's time card I have a few hours of GS credit from a June - July spillover GS. If I don't get to the 75 hour GS trigger in July, do I lose the few hours of GS credit?

You have to hit the trigger in both months for a spillover GS so the answer is yes.



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Old 07-14-2019 | 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Even at 98% I can get holidays off scheming the system.
Hope is not a plan.

Browsing random categories, I saw as high as 55% seniority getting coverage over July 4th weekend.
Old 07-14-2019 | 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Is everyone here that junior that getting holidays off is that much of a problem? Even at 98% I can get holidays off scheming the system

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This is very telling about how poor our system is. When you don't sit holidays at 98%, someone at 97% or 90% or 55% has to. If one must scheme the system to overcome the scheming of someone else who is junior, we have a problem (IMHO).

Of course many people for many reasons don't want holiday pay. But I think the majority of our list would enjoy such a policy.
Old 07-14-2019 | 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74
This is very telling about how poor our system is. When you don't sit holidays at 98%, someone at 97% or 90% or 55% has to. If one must scheme the system to overcome the scheming of someone else who is junior, we have a problem (IMHO).



Of course many people for many reasons don't want holiday pay. But I think the majority of our list would enjoy such a policy.

Schemes or scheming implies some nefarious context. Using the PWA to his benefit isn’t a scheme in my book. Just MHO, too.


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Old 07-14-2019 | 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by GuardPolice
Schemes or scheming implies some nefarious context. Using the PWA to his benefit isn’t a scheme in my book. Just MHO, too.


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Amen brother. But it is pretty convoluted.
Old 07-14-2019 | 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by GuardPolice
Schemes or scheming implies some nefarious context. Using the PWA to his benefit isn’t a scheme in my book. Just MHO, too.


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He's literally using Trips own adjective of what he's doing. *Shrug*
Old 07-14-2019 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Is everyone here that junior that getting holidays off is that much of a problem? Even at 98% I can get holidays off scheming the system

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In some smaller categories, major holidays go unstacked to near the 50% point.

If you had a premium on a holiday trip, senior pilots would sort and select the one that they enjoyed vs asking for the holiday off and waiting to see what gets left open to be covered as a GS. I would think that unstacking wouldn't even play out, and I'd bet that a junior pilot wouldn't get a holiday trip even if they wanted one.
Guaranteed trip with 150% pay that everyone could plan around would be superior to the pop up GS on Xmas eve, eve that needs to be covered.
Old 07-14-2019 | 07:04 AM
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Keep it simple. Holiday pay at 150. If you call in sick during during during a premium trip, you revert to normal 100 percent sick bank for the trip. Green slip system stays in place to keep the operation going, which probably sees serious reduction. Senior guys get a guaranteed bonus. Junior guys stay with family. And if I were a betting man...the data would support it being close to cost neutral or a trivial cost that makes pilots a lot happier as a group. Or maybe I'm just naive. What's not to like?
Old 07-14-2019 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by full of luv
In some smaller categories, major holidays go unstacked to near the 50% point.

If you had a premium on a holiday trip, senior pilots would sort and select the one that they enjoyed vs asking for the holiday off and waiting to see what gets left open to be covered as a GS. I would think that unstacking wouldn't even play out, and I'd bet that a junior pilot wouldn't get a holiday trip even if they wanted one.
Guaranteed trip with 150% pay that everyone could plan around would be superior to the pop up GS on Xmas eve, eve that needs to be covered.
Your logic is flawed. You assume the bidders who can hold a holiday off would then obligate to fly over a holiday because its a 'sure thing' at a lower pay rate.

Not likely.

Pilots who can hold holidays off....bid them off primarily because they want the days off. Its pretty simple to figure out.

If you are accurate in whats goin on...its only a narrow slice of reality that has this issue. A narrow demographic in small categories.

Its not likely holiday pay is gona have any meaningful impact in those situations.
Old 07-14-2019 | 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by BobZ
Your logic is flawed. You assume the bidders who can hold a holiday off would then obligate to fly over a holiday because its a 'sure thing' at a lower pay rate.

Not likely.

Pilots who can hold holidays off....bid them off primarily because they want the days off. Its pretty simple to figure out.

If you are accurate in whats goin on...its only a narrow slice of reality that has this issue. A narrow demographic in small categories.

Its not likely holiday pay is gona have any meaningful impact in those situations.
Let me see if I can wrap my mind around your argument. This is a negative because there won’t be green slips on holidays because the trips are paid at a premium so more pilots are willing to bid them. But no more pilots would bid to fly these premium trips because they just want the days off. So they don’t want to work on those days but then are upset because there aren’t any opportunities for last minute work on those days? You don’t like this because it doesn’t change bidding behavior therefore not affecting you at all and pays only the people who would work that day anyway at normal pay a premium? Did I get that right?
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