What a ridiculous argument. Are you all for status quo or just preserving you’re holiday GS’s that you can’t always count on?

 

So the newest 1/3 of the pilot group shouldn't push for improved retirement, improved healthcare, vacation either? Don't dare ask for a payrate increase, cuz you knew what it was when you took the job with Delta, right? If you want a 60%FAE I hear FDX is hiring...just hop on over.

Or...let's just use the corporate slogan: "Keep Climbing". Let's make our PWA better. I'd like to improve QOL by instituting holiday pay for those who work a holiday. Makes sense for everyone but a select few in each base who can bid it off with no intention of really being off.

 

If we are examining ridiculous arguments start with the expressed sanctity of family time on holidays that some how is then quantified in dollars and cents.

If you dont want to work holidays and weekends....get a plan to bid to a base and category wher you can most quickly make that happen.

If your view is working holidays is a qol hit....because of the invaluable lost family time...how does getting paid more fix that? You are still away from family.

So to 'fix' your qol problem.. we either force delta to not operate on holidays....not likely.

Or you adjust your personal situation to minimize your exposure to holiday work.

Oh...and fyi... fdx doesnt have a 60% fae pension.

 

Nah I'd prefer we just change the PWA.

Have you considered just bidding for a holiday trip for 150%, instead of bidding off and crossing fingers for 200%?

 

Ahh. I see. So its not really about missed sacred family time is it?

 

Of course it is. Incentivizing senior pilots who could otherwise bid off the holiday, but have no need to, to fly over the holiday. This then frees up more pilots on the list who want the sacrosanct Christmas morning with their children to not have a forced coverage award. Those who are still too Jr at least get a pay override. Net result is increased happy pilots, less sad children. Only unhappy folks are those greedy Ebenezer Scrouge 5% of pilots banking on a GS and ****ed that Jr pilot Bob Cratchett gets the day off with Tiny Tim.

 

If you really want to talk ridiculous, let's talk about why people place such a high emphasis on celebrating things on set days. Think of all the stress that is caused by such a construct. It's always entertaining to watch people staring at their watches as they time their exits, so they can hit every possible event in a day. Alright kids, this side of family is out of time...get in the car, time to spend time with the other side.

Then you have the types that sit on their high horse and talk down to the guys who don't mind GSing on those days because they assume everyone follows their construct. Nevermind that my family had previously set a date 5 days later so we can, you know, actually spend quality together. Same goes for weekends...not everyone has kids and/or significant others that only work Mon-Fri. Some actually prefer to work weekends because their S.O. has a flexible schedule and the lake is dead during the week which makes it more enjoyable.

Clearly, I don't particularly care about getting holidays off but I would certainly support holiday pay so those who do care, have a better shot of getting it off.

 

^^^well put^^^

 

GS carryover question. On July's time card I have a few hours of GS credit from a June - July spillover GS. If I don't get to the 75 hour GS trigger in July, do I lose the few hours of GS credit?

 

It is about shifting bidding, not getting paid more. Some senior pilots would intentionally bid the holiday trips for the premium pay. It isn't just for the "junior" pilots either. I've seen some categories where coverage awards over the holidays reach the 50% line.

Although not pilots, this example proves the point. I recently flew two international 3 day trips connecting the exact same city pair. One trip left on July 4th (Thur-Sat), the other on the 7th (Sun-Tues). Although both trips touched the weekend, the seniority of the FAs was MUCH higher over the holiday trip. I even heard a few comments about how they specifically bid for the trip due to holiday pay. Three of the junior FAs on the first trip, returned as the senior FAs on the following trip.