crewdawg

If you really want to talk ridiculous, let's talk about why people place such a high emphasis on celebrating things on set days. Think of all the stress that is caused by such a construct. It's always entertaining to watch people staring at their watches as they time their exits, so they can hit every possible event in a day. Alright kids, this side of family is out of time...get in the car, time to spend time with the other side.

Then you have the types that sit on their high horse and talk down to the guys who don't mind GSing on those days because they assume everyone follows their construct. Nevermind that my family had previously set a date 5 days later so we can, you know, actually spend quality together. Same goes for weekends...not everyone has kids and/or significant others that only work Mon-Fri. Some actually prefer to work weekends because their S.O. has a flexible schedule and the lake is dead during the week which makes it more enjoyable.

Clearly, I don't particularly care about getting holidays off but I would certainly support holiday pay so those who do care, have a better shot of getting it off.

ppping

^^^well put^^^

WhiskeyDog

GS carryover question. On July's time card I have a few hours of GS credit from a June - July spillover GS. If I don't get to the 75 hour GS trigger in July, do I lose the few hours of GS credit?

Gunfighter

It is about shifting bidding, not getting paid more. Some senior pilots would intentionally bid the holiday trips for the premium pay. It isn't just for the "junior" pilots either. I've seen some categories where coverage awards over the holidays reach the 50% line.

Although not pilots, this example proves the point. I recently flew two international 3 day trips connecting the exact same city pair. One trip left on July 4th (Thur-Sat), the other on the 7th (Sun-Tues). Although both trips touched the weekend, the seniority of the FAs was MUCH higher over the holiday trip. I even heard a few comments about how they specifically bid for the trip due to holiday pay. Three of the junior FAs on the first trip, returned as the senior FAs on the following trip.

BobZ

So you expect senior bidders to deliberately bid a hard obligation to work a holiday trip at 150% when that same bidder now can bid the holiday off and have a possible entirely optional work obligation at 200%?.

Your FA comparison is nonsense....as those senior FAs do not have the other option pilots have.

The pay formula has in the past had multiple overrides for duty time with elevated productivity/responsibility.

You want a holiday override? Ok. Have at it. Lotsa luck getting it at a 150% value.

While you are at it....get one for malarial zones....diurnal cycle disruption.....terrorist threat stations...and maybe even low time crew mates.

Just dont cry about sacred family time being missed as justification. Its all about $$.

Baradium

I think some would bid it, but not just that, it would go down the seniority list like that. Even if only 1 out of every 10 pilots would now bid to it, it would change the results of line awards substantially. And 150% of a sure thing can be better than 200% of a maybe. Especially as senior bidders would be able to have their choice of trips for the sure thing.

I don't want the money, but I think what it does is the money helps the junior bidders get the days off. You somehow turn this into it all being about the money but you obviously have missed the point of what the holiday pay is about. Every senior bidder that bids to work the holiday when they would otherwise avoid it is one bidder that is junior to them who no longer has to. And that is enough justification to me. The money isn't for the junior bidders having to work, it's for the more senior ones so they choose to and allow the junior ones to be off.

Milk Man

Does this mean poopies?

Trip7

Is everyone here that junior that getting holidays off is that much of a problem? Even at 98% I can get holidays off scheming the system

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Baradium

I think it depends on your specific base and equipment and bidding practices of that specific pilot group.

contrails

The point is not that one can't get the holiday off as a junior person, the point is that those people working on what our society considers a major holiday, get something extra for it.