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Old 09-20-2019 | 04:53 AM
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The list of US cities Virgin plans to add includes Chicago. How do you explain Virgin’s ability to fly that but call it a fool’s errand for us?
Didn't Delta fly ORD-Europe within the past few years?
Old 09-20-2019 | 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by DELTAFO
Didn't Delta fly ORD-Europe within the past few years?
We alternated with AirFrance ORD to CDG. We flew it in the off season with a 767 since AF did not have a suitable airframe for winter. We used AF’s slot.
Old 09-20-2019 | 06:45 AM
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While its a "setback" does anyone know what the cause was? Was that door or around it redesigned in any way? That seems like one of the least likely things to be redone. So it *seems* like there was just a mistake or defect in that one part on that one plane that one time. If that's the case it would just end up being just a reasonable delay one would think.
Old 09-20-2019 | 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
While its a "setback" does anyone know what the cause was? Was that door or around it redesigned in any way? That seems like one of the least likely things to be redone. So it *seems* like there was just a mistake or defect in that one part on that one plane that one time. If that's the case it would just end up being just a reasonable delay one would think.
They have to prove the fault, find a fix and retest. If there is a flaw in that one air frame, how did it get there? Assembly flaw, design flaw, testing flaw, I'm not sure they have any answers yet.
Old 09-20-2019 | 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
They have to prove the fault, find a fix and retest. If there is a flaw in that one air frame, how did it get there? Assembly flaw, design flaw, testing flaw, I'm not sure they have any answers yet.
Maybe not but its such a robust, quality and venerable design that something as standard as a door being a big issue suddenly doesn't add up.

Hope they get to the bottom of it.
Old 09-20-2019 | 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Maybe not but its such a robust, quality and venerable design that something as standard as a door being a big issue suddenly doesn't add up.

Hope they get to the bottom of it.
Hopefully it was a redesign like a bigger door or something. Otherwise Wouldn’t it just follow that this could be an issue with the cargo doors on all 777s?
Old 09-20-2019 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
They have to prove the fault, find a fix and retest. If there is a flaw in that one air frame, how did it get there? Assembly flaw, design flaw, testing flaw, I'm not sure they have any answers yet.
They actually don’t have to do that. It depends on when the door failed and what they determine was the cause. As a example the A380 wing failed testing but the failure was at something like 148% verses the required 150%. No redesign was required. I understand the door failure was at a similar percentage. It may be a very simple or even non existent fix or it could be complicated. Boeing seems to indicate it’s not a big issue.
Old 09-20-2019 | 11:55 AM
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just saw Ed is predicting 5B in profit again this year...with a similar amount to last year, not too optimistic that our profit sharing will increase from last year...thoughts?
Old 09-20-2019 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Crown
just saw Ed is predicting 5B in profit again this year...with a similar amount to last year, not too optimistic that our profit sharing will increase from last year...thoughts?
At the SLC flight ops meeting they said the profit sharing pool would be much higher for this year than last.
Old 09-20-2019 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Crown
just saw Ed is predicting 5B in profit again this year...with a similar amount to last year, not too optimistic that our profit sharing will increase from last year...thoughts?
My understandings night is we are on track for over 6 billion in profits and a substantial increase in PS. I want 16.3% in the pool. Our CEO may have been quoting post tax numbers. PS is based on pretax.
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