This is not about head count or business as Biggs pointed out to me it is about "Ominbus" the new Executive Bonus plan!

Sexism in MGMT at UPS?

Recommend retirement at 60...or early death. But, I think now, you understand why so many of the NB remain at UPS rather than retire....

It will cost them the loyalties from these people getting furloughed for the rest of their UPS careers.

Getting booted out or not, I know I will NEVER be loyal to these clowns anymore, just because they played that threat on me and my family.

Furloughing to prove to a point? Yah that's smart!!!

The only thing that matters to be loyal to in this industry (or many others) is to stay loyal to your friends and family ...

the rest is just business !!

Biggs comes back big time!!

It is hard for people to not feel threatened when they face a potential job loss. Those that tell the junior people being threatened "dont worry it will never happen" are only saying that because their job is not on the block.

Reactions here are mostly anger. Understandable. I am angry as well. BUT.....Anger is useless till you turn it to something more constructive. What is that? Well for one hold EVERYONE accountable to fly the contract. Nothing more, nothing less. Hold both the company and the union to it. We will see how the cards fall I guess.

Looking at job losses from the mechanics, drivers and pilots is unexpected from a profitable company. It remains profitable today. It is business. I know every employers job is not to provide a income for their employees. It has to do with profits and needs. Will the company continue to build the core model and expand when the market rebounds? Who knows....But when it looks as if the Corporate people are looking at HUGE bonuses even in these times of "economic hardship" it does make you wonder

I do agree that the people that just came off probation and looking at a potential job loss are probably going to harbor a grudge. Not something you forget. Just talk to an 88'er.

Some of the analysis that some post, Jungle comes to mind, is beneficial to read at times.....but when it comes to human nature we dont always think logical. It will cost much more than any savings in the short term to put people out of work for a brief time when they lose employee loyalty. Read Biggs post. Is it right? Only the individual can say........

You tell them Biggs! Just think of all the flight cancellations!........or they will just call the next IPAer on the radar list.

I'm with BIGGS on this one. I will remember this for my entire career and be one bitter SOB. The payback will cost more for them down the road! No favors ever!

I agree as well, and this IPAer on the RADAR list has the occasional back issues as well.

I understand this is a business with a balance sheet, and an overmanned situation is something that some might see as excess. That might all be correct, but it is not all inclusive of the situation, and not taking employee loyalty into consideration is not being realistic.

Sure, we owe them per the contract, nothing more, nothing less.

But is it really that simple? Of course not! If it only comes down to the contract with no loyalty or pride, then that means on the day I need to ship a package it might be FedEx if they are cheaper that day. When I'm at happy hour shortly, if I strike up a conversation with the guy next to me, 'Take Charge' would not be in the back of my mind. Cost savings idea? Why would I bother with an email?

Anyone who believes a lack of employee loyalty does not affect a company's bottom line is a fool. Look no further than Southwest Airlines as an example of how positive employee loyalty is positive on the balance sheet.

AMEN!

Or look at TWA! Only so many times you can **** on your employees before you go out of business!