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Quote: Saw this is the expressjet thread:

"Got the TA survey phone call today. Only interesting question. 1 to 5 how important is a single seniority list with Skywest? I told the guy I didn't even know that was on the table."

Is this even possible and what would that mean for a new hire if that went through? Number 6,000 then? That would be a deterrent.
I could see them offering longevity to XJT employees (pay and vacation) but they would likely still be at the back of the seniority list. That's if anything like that ever came about.
Quote: Saw this is the expressjet thread:



"Got the TA survey phone call today. Only interesting question. 1 to 5 how important is a single seniority list with Skywest? I told the guy I didn't even know that was on the table."



Is this even possible and what would that mean for a new hire if that went through? Number 6,000 then? That would be a deterrent.

Theoretically possible. But the only thing that would make that happen is a lot of leverage.
Quote: If you're looking % wise you won't ever get as much or even a third as year one increases, it's a huge change from 22/24 to 30....it's just not going to happen that you will get $6 raise.






The first year pay is allowed to go up to 36.50, from $22.00. If they can give a 66% increase to someone that hasn't contributed a penny to our bottom line, they should be able to come up with more for those responsible for the companies decades of profitability.
Quote: I think your right. Cola is needed. Back pay would be nice...But won't happen now.. Lets be reaistic. This is a huge step in the right direction.. We need ro take that first step. The second will come in 3years when this TA is up.. If we dont take this first step. I dont think will be taking any for 1-2 years... Im going with Yes..






Every single time we have the opportunity to make improvements the "yes voters club" always makes the "argument" that we can get them "next time"!


The time is NOW!


Vote NO!!!
Quote: Wow just wow yup this is easily going to pass and your paycheck won't look any different than it looks now.








Sure it will, it will be smaller than ever when they jack up our "share" of the health insurance again in a few months...
Quote: , they should be able to come up with more for those responsible for the companies decades of profitability.
While Yes you are under paid, you are an hourly employee of many hourly employees.
i have been reading these for while and am seriously considering skywest, will be eligible in about 6 months. call me ignorant but since skywest in non union, who do the negotiations go through and why does there have to be a vote? no snippy comments please just trying to understand
Quote: i have been reading these for while and am seriously considering skywest, will be eligible in about 6 months. call me ignorant but since skywest in non union, who do the negotiations go through and why does there have to be a vote? no snippy comments please just trying to understand
Because the company feels like if they let us pretend we have a union, we won't vote in a union. But in all seriousness they know if they just implement things without a pilot say, there will be a union on property pretty quick.
Quote: Because the company feels like if they let us pretend we have a union, we won't vote in a union. But in all seriousness they know if they just implement things without a pilot say, there will be a union on property pretty quick.
You are high, put the crackpipe down and step away. They have been inflicting the "thousand cuts" for the last 15 years. The SKYW pilots are like the frog in a pot of water on the stove, they just increase the heat slowly and we slowly come to a boil. 3 union drives later, if you compare where we are now vs year 2000, we have given massive pay cuts and work rule concessions. They know that the pilots are toothless Pomeranian kicking dogs, very little bark and even less bite.
Those who fail to study history are doomed to repeat it. Ask a senior guy, when you aren't resenting him for sitting in your "seat" and impeding your career advancement. When you finally get the nerve up to vote in a union, they will have milked every last drop out of the existing agreement and stonewall you like the good reverend is doing at republic. See how well that is working for them? Skywest is bound and determined to make SKYW a cheap place to work, now no one wants to work there anymore....
Quote: You are high, put the crackpipe down and step away. They have been inflicting the "thousand cuts" for the last 15 years. The SKYW pilots are like the frog in a pot of water on the stove, they just increase the heat slowly and we slowly come to a boil. 3 union drives later, if you compare where we are now vs year 2000, we have given massive pay cuts and work rule concessions. They know that the pilots are toothless Pomeranian kicking dogs, very little bark and even less bite.
Those who fail to study history are doomed to repeat it. Ask a senior guy, when you aren't resenting him for sitting in your "seat" and impeding your career advancement. When you finally get the nerve up to vote in a union, they will have milked every last drop out of the existing agreement and stonewall you like the good reverend is doing at republic. See how well that is working for them? Skywest is bound and determined to make SKYW a cheap place to work, now no one wants to work there anymore....
You made a good point earlier about the company not intending to actually pay out on anything they agree to (like the raise for the EMB guys) That got me thinking that they have already went to Delta and United on some scheduling relief. This is supposed to go into effect in Oct. I have a hard time accepting that it's coincidence that is the same time our MTD increase goes into effect if the pay package is approved. And the scheduling liaison is supposed to start in August, but the vote doesn't even end until the 7th.

All this leads me to believe that they know the schedules will get more efficient with the new software and help from Delta and United. So we are supposed to vote in a crappy monetary increase for QOL stuff they are already going to be doing. Plus last year we saw an 8% decrease in block hours from August to September. This combined with people getting through IOE should increase our reserve staffing. Company is pushing this so hard right now because they have already been advertising the higher first year wage and they know there is scheduling relief already around the corner with lower block hours.

Additionally, all this new 4:1 already has the "originally scheduled" caveat. They know the money will be saved on making it even more difficult for reserves to break guarantee. But again, this package is just to convince another 15% to accept it to get the 51%. Hopefully everyone is seeing that there are really no gains in this proposal.
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