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Old 07-24-2015 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Management is able to change SAPA by-laws? Do by-law changes go to a vote?
Pilots vote on pay and on reps from their region. The 19 reps are supposed to vote based on what their region wants. The only problem is there is never any communication about what is being voted on so we can contact our reps to voice our opinion. SAPA is way to quick with "gives" to the company to help align the policy with what the company is doing. Usually to the detriment of the pilots.

But anything the pilots want, even if it is mutually beneficial, is pushed aside or we are told there is no time or resources. (Virtual domiciles, reserve proffering, trip stacking)
Old 07-24-2015 | 11:28 AM
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Because the company wants it so bad. They want it so bad, they changed the SAPA Bylaws, to include voting for the pay proposal to day one on property. But to be fair, SAPA is paid for 100% by the company, and as such has the company's best interests at heart.
This needs to be talked about more. Unfreaking believable that they did this.
Old 07-24-2015 | 11:49 AM
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Just curious, what is your pilot group's stance on a deadheading crewmember taking the jumpseat? I witnessed this twice in the last week, both were SKW employees. One was on a flight I was working out of LAX, which the captain shot down immediately. The other instance, a Skywest operated flight, bumped a commuting pilot off the jumpseat on the last flight of the day, leaving the individual stranded for the night. I realize there is no union there to provide direction on the issue, but is the pilot group really cool with that?

This is a big no-no at ALPA carriers, and can put your company's JS agreement in jeopardy. Especially when a commuting pilot gets bumped by someone who should be a ticketed passenger in the back.
Old 07-24-2015 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by tinman1
Just curious, what is your pilot group's stance on a deadheading crewmember taking the jumpseat? I witnessed this twice in the last week, both were SKW employees. One was on a flight I was working out of LAX, which the captain shot down immediately. The other instance, a Skywest operated flight, bumped a commuting pilot off the jumpseat on the last flight of the day, leaving the individual stranded for the night. I realize there is no union there to provide direction on the issue, but is the pilot group really cool with that?

This is a big no-no at ALPA carriers, and can put your company's JS agreement in jeopardy. Especially when a commuting pilot gets bumped by someone who should be a ticketed passenger in the back.
I'll only do it if there are no JS waiting and the flight is over sold or trying to get more non-rev on.
Old 07-24-2015 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by tinman1
Just curious, what is your pilot group's stance on a deadheading crewmember taking the jumpseat? I witnessed this twice in the last week, both were SKW employees. One was on a flight I was working out of LAX, which the captain shot down immediately. The other instance, a Skywest operated flight, bumped a commuting pilot off the jumpseat on the last flight of the day, leaving the individual stranded for the night. I realize there is no union there to provide direction on the issue, but is the pilot group really cool with that?

This is a big no-no at ALPA carriers, and can put your company's JS agreement in jeopardy. Especially when a commuting pilot gets bumped by someone who should be a ticketed passenger in the back.
Things must have really changed at those alpa carriers lately. That was normal practice at the last alpa carrier I worked for. Here at OO the gate agent can ask the pilot to take the jump but it's up to the pilot.
Old 07-24-2015 | 12:12 PM
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I'll only do it if there are no JS waiting and the flight is over sold or trying to get more non-rev on.
Even then you are technically not supposed to do it, but bumping a commuter off the JS last minute to get a deadhead on? That's just cold...
Old 07-24-2015 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by tinman1
Even then you are technically not supposed to do it, but bumping a commuter off the JS to get a deadhead on last minute? That's just cold...
What are you talking about? I'd never take the jump if there was a commuter trying to get on. I make that perfectly clear to the gate agent and won't board until the last minute. Where does it say a DH pilot is not permitted in the jump? I think it's the right thing to do if there are pax or other non revs trying to board that wouldn't make it on if you didn't take the jump.
Old 07-24-2015 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
I'll only do it if there are no JS waiting and the flight is over sold or trying to get more non-rev on.
You should NEVER take the jumpseat as a deadheading crewmember, ever.
Old 07-24-2015 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
What are you talking about? I'd never take the jump if there was a commuter trying to get on. I make that perfectly clear to the gate agent and won't board until the last minute. Where does it say a DH pilot is not permitted in the jump? I think it's the right thing to do if there are pax or other non revs trying to board that wouldn't make it on if you didn't take the jump.

But you wouldn't bump a commuting pilot off the jump because the gate agent is pressuring you into it. And that's what I'm saying is wrong. I witnessed it just a couple of days ago and was wondering if that is SOP over at OO.

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Old 07-24-2015 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by tinman1
But you wouldn't bump a commuting pilot off the jump because the gate agent is pressuring you into it. And that's what I'm saying is wrong. I witnessed it just a couple of days ago and was wondering if that is SOP over at OO.

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No. Never. If I have a ticket and there's a js, then I sit in the back...except in STL. Unfortunately our contract says that DH pilots may be required to sit in the jump seat and the gate agents know this. The captain would have to deny me but most don't get it.
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