Yeah, those people are called MANAGERS. You think we're going to get an awesome raise and a "very nice retirement package" if we don't belong to a union?

Ha!!

No my math is ok, if we had no union we already know what would have happened to us the same thing that has happened to the rest of the employees. The company in the past few 2 years has slashed their health care, ended the traditional retirement plan and had cut their pay. We also in the past have always received a retro payment with a signed contract. That was basically the amount of the pay raises we would have gotten since the amendable date.

You notice he didn't bother to address the first part of your question.

Jungle's not a FedEx pilot (he works for UPS), and he hates unions. He's really too good for unions, and he seems to enjoy stirring the pot.


Oh, and our dues are 1.9% these days, down from 1.95%.






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How does delaying negotiations benefit ALPA?




How does ALPA increase dues during negotiations? How are lengthy negotiations a big win for ALPA?


No BS, no rhetoric, just lay down a fact or two.





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You are getting nailed for 1.9%? All day, every day?
No doubt it helps, but it sure hasn't made it any faster.

All of you should take a look at the ALPA pay roster, it is very interesting.

Delays in negotiations make the union pay scales much fatter, it is what they do, whether you get a new contract or not.

It is just business, the sooner you understand the better you will understand.

So you are telling us managers have had their pay cut to the bone? I don't think you are watching.

Retro payments never quite make up the loss from inflation.

Sorry, but I don't hate unions, but it is interesting to ask exactly what they accomplish over three years of "talks" and exactly what they are doing.

What I really hate is the status quo from unions and negotiations that lets this kind of mentality prevail for years.

Part of it is the RLB, a big part of it is unions and management take advantage of it every time. It is their life blood to stretch out talks as long as possible.

You won't get anything better in one year than you would in four, but for unions and management it becomes a feeding frenzy, a buffet that lasts a very long time.

1.9% without a new CBA, 1.9% with a new CBA -- no different. ALPA does not get a penny richer, and their pay scales differ not a whit by prolonged negotiations. In fact, prolonged negotiations do exactly the opposite by increasing the cost of negotiations.

You're the one who obviously does not understand.






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RLB? Is that your personal version of the RLA?

Again, you fail to explain how unions draw blood from stretching out talks. Do you think the dues are somehow raised during negotiations? What do you think unions feed on during the process -- what is this buffet, other than a figment of your cockamamie imagination?






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Pay attention. Busdriver12 mentioned managers, not HIFLYR. HIFLYR was talking about other employees at OUR COMPANY -- you know, FedEx, like the title of this thread? He kinda knows what's going on at OUR Company, and maybe you kinda know what's going on at yours. But thanks for trying to set us straight.






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