Funny how there is PSA pilot and a maintenance guy doing the most boo-hooing Allegiant this week.

Things aren't perfect, but the company is making a lot money and can continue to do so even during a future economic crash. Pilot pay is below Delta but still fairly similar to other LCCs. Higher than Atlas on the 767 for example. Plenty of 2-3 year quick upgrades making $150k++. Most G4 pilots live in base and are happy with life. No layovers, no EDCT times, weather isn't much of an issue, no megahubs, airport appreciation sits, or 11pm dinner at the hotel lobby bar.

Of course more money will be great but that will definitely come sooner or later. If you take the quick upgrade you know TDY or VBD is in the cards, if you don't like it, you can be a senior FO in most bases within 12-18 months.

Your worthless opinion regarding all things Allegiant has proven once again proven to be just that.

Allegiant and RJET's business models could not be further apart on the airline spectrum. Allegiant has no codeshare partners and very good revenue and liquidity. It pays for it's own fuel, sells its own tickets and controls its own destiny. The one correlation is that RJET went to war with its pilots and, at least until recently, Allegiant seemed to be doing the same. There is some cautious optimism that things are perhaps changing, but that remains to be seen.

What point, exactly, are you trying to make here?

I think FirstClass is trying to say that mainline will have to hire so many pilots in the next 5 years that there will be none left for the LCCs (to include Allegiant). I personally don't think this is true. I think it will force carriers to raise pay to attract pilots.

You don't think the endless stalling by mgmt to come to some acceptable pilot agreement, spending as little as possible on maintenance even to the point of attracting the attention of regulators and on some flights endangering all aboard, p*ssing off customers by the hundreds due to multiple delayed and cancelled flights, a customer call center that is so short-handed it routinely puts customers on hold for 45 min or longer, dispatching planes with the absolute minimum of fuel, continuing to use clunky scheduling Merlot software, is not due to some overall strategy by those at the highest level of the company? These are not random bad-luck events, they continue to happen for a reason. Any other airline would be taking steps to rectify these problem areas for longevity of the business. Everyone knows how profitable AAY is, so why aren't they spending money to fix things, they certainly have it if they want to. For the same financial reason you don't put new tires on a car you plan to get rid of. They have a business plan in mind.

This is just an opinion, like everyone else. Let's not let the "I work here so I have to defend the place" emotion rule the day.

And an economic crash is not the kind of crash some worry about with the maint history this company has.

Obviously you have been drinking again. I hope you are not flying this morning with that kind of drunken stuper. You totally missed the point. Nobody is comparing allegiant and RJET business model dummy. Re-read the post. I hope you don't fly the airbus because its important to know what the airplane is telling you.

It sounds terrific, it really does. But its going to end. Study the mathematics of what's coming. Six years from today more major airline pilots will have retired than there are regional pilots to replace them with, ie about 18,000. If I was you guys, I would try and switch to alpa so your seniority can be properly integrated. That's what frontier just did, they see the writing on the wall, they will be merged in with spirit. The LCC consolidation hasn't even started yet. Watch for training contracts at LCC's. What's your attrition rate at Allegiant right now?

Attrition rate is close to 10%. We lost about 60 last year and I'm consistently hearing we are losing about 6-7/month currently. My guess/opinion is that number is going to keep going up.

Just because I've pointed out that your conclusions make no sense and the similarities between RJET and Allegiant that you seemed to pull out of thin air are little more than fantasy doesn't indicate a problem with my reading comprehension and is no need to you to get snotty....but I'm always happy to respond in kind.

The only way I'd ever need to re-read one of your posts is if I need a good laugh. Your constant trolling on this thread is getting old and getting "preached to" by a PSA pilot is not something that any Allegiant pilot needs. Your conclusions are sophomoric at best and your tone is insulting.

Go back and play with the kids.

How is RJET similar to Allegiant? I don't understand what you are talking about. I never implied that. Go ahead and re-read it again and report back to the group. It's ok.

I'm showing 11,054 retirements (AA, UA, DAL, UPS, FDX, ALK) for the next 6 years from today and 20,426 regional pilots as of today. Where are you getting your numbers? Don't forget military, corporate, cargo, charter, returning expat taking some legacy jobs. This will put pressure on the LCC's for sure but this isn't a leak a good contract won't seal in my opinion.