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tom11011 , 06-26-2016 07:21 AM

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A few thoughts

1.) What is driving the company to suddenly want this done? That seems like an important question. Someone had mentioned it being a requirement to secure a loan. But loans are not part of the companies game plan. Merger? Sale?

2.) Haven't seen the proposal, but could we do better in binding arbitration? Does the company oppose binding arbitration.

3.) Is there a signing bonus? Can sections be opened up prior to the expirarion?

4.) Single days off should have an enormous price tag.

Some are looking at this contract based on whether it would be a good first contract. I'm looking at it to see if will be staying or going.

#3072

Vegaspilot , 06-26-2016 07:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tom11011

All excellent questions. Make sure you hammer them in the road shows with the hard questions until you are satisfied and then vote accordingly. So far I'm not real impressed.

#3073

tom11011 , 06-26-2016 07:42 AM

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Is involuntary tdy addressed?

#3074

Centerline , 06-26-2016 07:45 AM

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Unrestricted TDY with VBD. No.

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#3075

IWalkJun12 , 06-26-2016 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by fishforfun

No, I'm saying NK turned down $232/hour because it was "ridiculous". But we seem to be creaming ourselves for it.

Where did you get that number?

#3076

Vegaspilot , 06-26-2016 07:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tom11011

Is involuntary tdy addressed?

You get one 4 day off block to go home with a PS space ticket provided.

#3077

hyde , 06-26-2016 08:53 AM

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Yeah I'd like to know why the company came around so quickly but I'd also like to know why the NC would submit this for a vote if it's as bad as you all make it sound. For now I have faith they wouldn't hand us a bad deal. They've put too much effort into this to just roll over now.

#3078

j3cub , 06-26-2016 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by hyde

Plus 1.

Our EXCO and negotiating team are not the guys who would roll over if they knew we could do more. I have faith in them.

#3079

Purpleanga , 06-26-2016 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Machaca

The actual breakdown has not been officially released yet, so no one knows the exact numbers, but this is what is being passed about

Automatic pay scale bumps every year (1.5%) for 5 years

2016 CA
2 yr 160
5 yr 180
10 yr 206
12 yr 216 (date of signing plus 5 yrs 232)

2016 FO
1 yr 53.8
2 yr 96
5 yr 115
8 yr 130
10 yr 138
12 yr 145

Not sure what you mean by cancellation pay, if a flight gets cancelled we are pay protected and new rules apparently improve the reserve issue of getting called in and getting cancelled, not put back on reserve.

2:1 duty rig, which is a huge step up, as well as the continuation of the 130% pay after 81 hours of credit as opposed to having to have been scheduled or actually flying the 81 hours. Training pay of 4 hours credit a day from 80 dollars a day, definite improvement.

Pretty rare to credit much over 100 hours a month unless advantageous open time pickups or being a Mission Mode *****, seems like it will be far easier now to pass the 100 hours per month if you are working what is now a standard schedule with the DH pay improvements and duty rig, plus overnight protection.

A third year CA on pure reserve, picking up 20 hours of open time with multiple DH (20 hours round figure) and not being able to fly out guarantee (not including open time, which goes above guarantee) would see this:
70 hour guarantee 10010
20 ABG 2860
120 hr per diem 120
20 hr DH 0 to 400 (offset 1 hour after 51 hr up to 70)

Grand total 12990 to 13390

New rules (guesstimate since official numbers aren't released yet
90 hours credit (81@165)+(9@214) 13555
120 hr per diem 240
DH (50% rate) 1650

Total 15445 (without any type of duty rig calculation, which would happen more often than one would think)

Thanks for the write up. But those pay rates will just bring Allegiant up to industry average, if that. It will be lowest pay again within a few years. I would imagine it will pass since that's a big step up from current rates.

#3080

Vegaspilot , 06-26-2016 09:28 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by j3cub

Plus 1.

Our EXCO and negotiating team are not the guys who would roll over if they knew we could do more. I have faith in them.

I do too. But I'm kinda getting the sense they might feel this is the best they could probably get so lets put it out for a vote. While I fully support and applaud all they've done and are doing, I think the rules are weak and the days off provision is almost NO vote worthy by itself. I want this done and I want a deal we can be proud of...I don't think this deal is it as it stands though.