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06-22-2016 | 06:55 PM
#2971
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And if you think it will be in the 230's, what retirement comes with it? What work rules? Is it a 12 or 15yr scale? And most importantly, if you're happy with $230 (you shouldn't be) is it at date of signing or is all the money loaded at the back leaving you years more before you see it?
06-22-2016 | 07:19 PM
#2972
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What's foolish about expecting the same pay for the same job?
And if you think it will be in the 230's, what retirement comes with it? What work rules? Is it a 12 or 15yr scale? And most importantly, if you're happy with $230 (you shouldn't be) is it at date of signing or is all the money loaded at the back leaving you years more before you see it?
And if you think it will be in the 230's, what retirement comes with it? What work rules? Is it a 12 or 15yr scale? And most importantly, if you're happy with $230 (you shouldn't be) is it at date of signing or is all the money loaded at the back leaving you years more before you see it?
Why shouldn't I be happy with 230's? I think that's a fair increase in contract #1 for the top end if in fact it's a 5 year deal. The real question is where does everyone else jump to. Will that 30ish% increase at the top end apply to the bottom...
Also, let's not forget that compensation is but 1 of many areas that need vast improvements for this TA to pass.
I think you're going to be disappointed regardless of what's in the agreement.
06-22-2016 | 08:59 PM
#2973
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You came to work for an ultra low cost carrier. If you thought you would ever be paid the same as a legacy pilot, you're being foolish. Do Spirit or JB or VA pilots get paid what a legacy pilot makes? What about Frontier pilots? I'm not asking what you think you should be paid, I'm asking about the reality of this industry.
Why shouldn't I be happy with 230's? I think that's a fair increase in contract #1 for the top end if in fact it's a 5 year deal. The real question is where does everyone else jump to. Will that 30ish% increase at the top end apply to the bottom...
Also, let's not forget that compensation is but 1 of many areas that need vast improvements for this TA to pass.
I think you're going to be disappointed regardless of what's in the agreement.
Why shouldn't I be happy with 230's? I think that's a fair increase in contract #1 for the top end if in fact it's a 5 year deal. The real question is where does everyone else jump to. Will that 30ish% increase at the top end apply to the bottom...
Also, let's not forget that compensation is but 1 of many areas that need vast improvements for this TA to pass.
I think you're going to be disappointed regardless of what's in the agreement.
06-22-2016 | 10:05 PM
#2974
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Joined: Sep 2007
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Well it best have increased PTO or I'll vote NO. What's the point of "Legacy Pay" if you have no more than 14 days PTO/Vacation a year?
In addition I will vote NO unless the following are included:
Full pay for DH
Increased PTO to ~150hrs at 10yrs
Sick days paid
Guarantee to 75 hrs.
12 days off min for Rsv
Per diem increased
Pay Protection for Union officers
and
SCOPE
In addition I will vote NO unless the following are included:
Full pay for DH
Increased PTO to ~150hrs at 10yrs
Sick days paid
Guarantee to 75 hrs.
12 days off min for Rsv
Per diem increased
Pay Protection for Union officers
and
SCOPE
06-22-2016 | 10:13 PM
#2975
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Agreed, anyone who thinks they will get industry leading pay at Allegiant, Spirit, Frontier ect are in serious denial. I'm not saying these guys don't deserve to get paid for the same job but they are not at a legacy. some companies pay more than others people..... Is it really that hard for us to understand?
06-23-2016 | 12:07 AM
#2976
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From: One man wolfpack
You came to work for an ultra low cost carrier. If you thought you would ever be paid the same as a legacy pilot, you're being foolish. Do Spirit or JB or VA pilots get paid what a legacy pilot makes? What about Frontier pilots? I'm not asking what you think you should be paid, I'm asking about the reality of this industry.
Why shouldn't I be happy with 230's? I think that's a fair increase in contract #1 for the top end if in fact it's a 5 year deal. The real question is where does everyone else jump to. Will that 30ish% increase at the top end apply to the bottom...
Also, let's not forget that compensation is but 1 of many areas that need vast improvements for this TA to pass.
I think you're going to be disappointed regardless of what's in the agreement.
Why shouldn't I be happy with 230's? I think that's a fair increase in contract #1 for the top end if in fact it's a 5 year deal. The real question is where does everyone else jump to. Will that 30ish% increase at the top end apply to the bottom...
Also, let's not forget that compensation is but 1 of many areas that need vast improvements for this TA to pass.
I think you're going to be disappointed regardless of what's in the agreement.
Does Spirit, Allegiant, Virgin, or JetBlue go to Airbus and clame, because they are an ultra low cost carrier, they should get a substantial discount on leases or purchase prices? What about gate space, contract vendors, contract mx... I don't think Airbus, local airports, or anyone else would agree to subsidize the operation because it is "ulcc" so why should you?
06-23-2016 | 03:24 AM
#2977
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From: A320
I don't see the point in arguing what you want in a contract after it has already been hashed out. Read it and then decide.
Knowing the people involved I believe we will have a good contract. They weren't going to cave in to get something quickly and we should all be a bit more appreciative of their struggle. Sitting across from smug smiles and nonstarter offers for years and saying no is not fun.
The following has some good tidbits that suggest a good contract.
Teamster Pilots At Allegiant Airlines Reach Historic Tentative Agreement
Knowing the people involved I believe we will have a good contract. They weren't going to cave in to get something quickly and we should all be a bit more appreciative of their struggle. Sitting across from smug smiles and nonstarter offers for years and saying no is not fun.
The following has some good tidbits that suggest a good contract.
Teamster Pilots At Allegiant Airlines Reach Historic Tentative Agreement
06-23-2016 | 03:42 AM
#2978
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Does the GM of a Walmart negotiate lower compensation package than say if he were the GM of a target or a Nordstrom? I would bet he/she actually negotiates more money because the Walmart store is going to have more day to day headaches.
No one except it seems pilots feel the need to subsidize their company's business model through their own compensation. I think the model is good and will certainly help attain company goals but I'm not going to subsidize them.
This attitude of not expecting same or more pay than a legacy pilot is only propagated by us. We can choose to stop that ideology at any time.
No one except it seems pilots feel the need to subsidize their company's business model through their own compensation. I think the model is good and will certainly help attain company goals but I'm not going to subsidize them.
This attitude of not expecting same or more pay than a legacy pilot is only propagated by us. We can choose to stop that ideology at any time.
06-23-2016 | 05:26 AM
#2979
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I personally know everyone sitting at the table for our side if they say this is an agreement they can support then that is powerfull evidence of an acceptable deal. For me. But everyone get's a vote, so go for it.
06-23-2016 | 05:32 AM
#2980
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From: Cessna 150
It's about time that the pilots in this industry start expecting more from the ultra low cost carriers. Compensation is directly related to profit and since the ULCC's are consistently more profitable than the legacy airlines, it is just a matter of time before they will be the highest paid airline pilots in the business.
This is a first contract and we can't expect it to be top if the industry pay, but we should certainly expect it in the future. I expect this will be a good first contract with room to build on a second.
This is a first contract and we can't expect it to be top if the industry pay, but we should certainly expect it in the future. I expect this will be a good first contract with room to build on a second.
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