Yeah, that's great right up to the point where it's not. Smoking holes do wonders for profitability.

And here comes Mr know it all.

Here's the difference. We gave mgmt the benefit of the doubt because we were told by our weak MEC chairmen at the time that we were close to a T/A. Things have changed and their true colors have shown and our patience is about gone. Im not going to explain to you what happens next.

I guess they'll find out that happy pilots make airplanes go at some point

So there are "Tiers of a Clown"?

Also, when this CEO says, we have the fastest captain upgrade, and that's why low compensations are justified, is completely false, and complete nonsense!

Assuming that you upgrade in 2.5 years, a 3rd year Captain in Spirit makes slightly ($10-20), more than a 3rd year FO in Legacies or even JB, SW or VA. But, how about the first two years that Spirit pays almost $40 less than others. When you do the math, even you upgrade as early as two years, you still don't break even with others, and you're still underpaid! Dear CEO, we maybe low tier, according to you, but, defiantly not stupid!!!!


One more thing! Do you guys know any flying school who trains LOW TIER pilot and it's really cheap?!!!!

And don't forget, Delta now has MD-80 Captains with upgrade times less than Spirit and FedEx has 757 Captains with upgrade times less than Spirit. Upgrade is NOT and should not be a basis for low pay. I'm thinking either our CEO is blind to what's going on, or he's pulling the wool over the stock owners' eyes. Either way I'm not so sure he's someone we want as our CEO.

I know, just making generalities.

Dont worry, the legacies will have massive retirements and United needs 5,000 pilots over the next few years, Delta is taking more deliveries and will hire 800-1000 per year over the next few years, AA with more deliveries on the way and will hire 700-800 per year for awhile and new contracts with huge raises and QOL improvements, pretty soon everyone will just start to leave Spirit for a legacy job and Spirit management will start to panic a little bit and wont know what to do and be forced to improve the place to make it competitve just to keep pilots there

You know the best we can hope for is that the legacies moan and groan to the guvment about the lack of available pilots to hire and we get bought by a legacy. Put our management out to pasture and we end up on someone's seniority list. But, my luck we are gonna merge with Frontier to become a Mega Ultra Low Cost Carrier, a MULCC, the lowest of the low tiers.

If I were at Spirit I wouldn't for a second think about leaving for a legacy. The Spirit model is absolutely fantastic and the way to go going forward, and the management understands this. Let's see, highest margin in the industry, fastest growth in the industry, great safety record, by almost all metrics your company is firing on all cylinders. The legacies especially AA are very hurt by your route network and a Frontier tie up will further strength it and also severely hurt UAL.

The legacy cost structure will be their downfall, low oil prices are making the profits profitable now but moving forward they are going to get squeezed. Moving forward, their high cost international flights are going to see immense competition from the likes of NAI or copy cats. I actually like jetBlue over all the carriers out there, they have a great mix of lower cost and excellent service.

You guys may not pay the most right now but what about in the future? You're part of a growing company that has a solid business model. Keep in mind there was a time when UPS and FedEx was where the legacy wannabe's went. Same with SWA. Delta, yes even Delta for a time in the 80's was also a 2nd tier place where guys went to rot sitting sideways on the 727.

Keep your chins up.