Spirit low tier pilots
05-03-2016 | 07:51 PM
#42
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I am an ORD pilot. I honestly didn't take the email that way. Furthermore, I certainly don't want to be liable for a fine if one of those plain clothes TSA gets on the the airplane and through the door, and I was standing there shooting the $hit. Just may make it more difficult to be in the seat and ready to go 35 minutes prior, if I'm further down the hall in the nosebleeds.
05-03-2016 | 08:39 PM
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Also, when this CEO says, we have the fastest captain upgrade, and that's why low compensations are justified, is completely false, and complete nonsense!
Assuming that you upgrade in 2.5 years, a 3rd year Captain in Spirit makes slightly ($10-20), more than a 3rd year FO in Legacies or even JB, SW or VA. But, how about the first two years that Spirit pays almost $40 less than others. When you do the math, even you upgrade as early as two years, you still don't break even with others, and you're still underpaid! Dear CEO, we maybe low tier, according to you, but, defiantly not stupid!!!!
One more thing! Do you guys know any flying school who trains LOW TIER pilot and it's really cheap?!!!!
Assuming that you upgrade in 2.5 years, a 3rd year Captain in Spirit makes slightly ($10-20), more than a 3rd year FO in Legacies or even JB, SW or VA. But, how about the first two years that Spirit pays almost $40 less than others. When you do the math, even you upgrade as early as two years, you still don't break even with others, and you're still underpaid! Dear CEO, we maybe low tier, according to you, but, defiantly not stupid!!!!
One more thing! Do you guys know any flying school who trains LOW TIER pilot and it's really cheap?!!!!
05-04-2016 | 04:32 AM
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Spirit is in dire need of changing their business plan. A merger of Spirit and Allegiant, who's business plan matches no-one, might be a better future combination.
05-04-2016 | 04:42 AM
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Also how is an airline with the highest margins in dire need of changing their "business plan"?
05-04-2016 | 04:50 AM
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If I were at Spirit I wouldn't for a second think about leaving for a legacy. The Spirit model is absolutely fantastic and the way to go going forward, and the management understands this. Let's see, highest margin in the industry, fastest growth in the industry, great safety record, by almost all metrics your company is firing on all cylinders. The legacies especially AA are very hurt by your route network and a Frontier tie up will further strength it and also severely hurt UAL.
The legacy cost structure will be their downfall, low oil prices are making the profits profitable now but moving forward they are going to get squeezed. Moving forward, their high cost international flights are going to see immense competition from the likes of NAI or copy cats. I actually like jetBlue over all the carriers out there, they have a great mix of lower cost and excellent service.
You guys may not pay the most right now but what about in the future? You're part of a growing company that has a solid business model. Keep in mind there was a time when UPS and FedEx was where the legacy wannabe's went. Same with SWA. Delta, yes even Delta for a time in the 80's was also a 2nd tier place where guys went to rot sitting sideways on the 727.
Keep your chins up.
The legacy cost structure will be their downfall, low oil prices are making the profits profitable now but moving forward they are going to get squeezed. Moving forward, their high cost international flights are going to see immense competition from the likes of NAI or copy cats. I actually like jetBlue over all the carriers out there, they have a great mix of lower cost and excellent service.
You guys may not pay the most right now but what about in the future? You're part of a growing company that has a solid business model. Keep in mind there was a time when UPS and FedEx was where the legacy wannabe's went. Same with SWA. Delta, yes even Delta for a time in the 80's was also a 2nd tier place where guys went to rot sitting sideways on the 727.
Keep your chins up.
05-04-2016 | 04:50 AM
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Spirit is being picked apart by American. Yesterday's news lends some credit to this possibility. Spirit is looking for a new model.
05-04-2016 | 04:53 AM
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If they really want a more productive operation, they need to appreciate and pay their pilots.
05-04-2016 | 05:03 AM
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What did you expect American to do?
I hope the company realizes the need for better appreciation of its workers but that's not what ULCCs like you and Allegiant are based on. All I hear is CEOs and COOs chirping to shareholders about the need for cost controls. You and me are cost units. Nothing more.
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