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Old 05-04-2016 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
No high horse here. Start up/LCC's either become large/successful with high overhead or they die off. Not saying anything about spirit other than your advantageous cost structure will change. Look at SWA.
In that case I apologize. Sorry. I agree with you. My mistake
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Old 05-04-2016 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
No high horse here. Start up/LCC's either become large/successful with high overhead or they die off. Not saying anything about spirit other than your advantageous cost structure will change. Look at SWA.
I disagree. Spirits not a LCC. It's a ULCC. Spirit compared to SWA is apples and oranges. There's a difference. Spirit has revolutionized the airline industry in creating additional revenue streams besides just the ticket sale. It's not just the ULCC's taking advantage of the revenue streams either. Bought a ticket on AA lately? I have, many times. Every ticket I've bought on them in the last three years only allows me to buy a window or aisle seat for each leg. Otherwise your dumped in a middle seat.

Tried to buy a ticket on SWA lately? I have numerous times. I don't consider them a LCC any longer. They are restricted in revenue streams. No baggage fees, no soda fees, no reserve a seat fees, no first class uncharged. They're ticket prices reflect it too. Without adding those additional revenue stream to their business model they are boxing themselves into a corner of increased labor cost and only recouping it on the actual ticket sale.
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Old 05-04-2016 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by The Revenge
I disagree. Spirits not a LCC. It's a ULCC. Spirit compared to SWA is apples and oranges. There's a difference. Spirit has revolutionized the airline industry in creating additional revenue streams besides just the ticket sale. It's not just the ULCC's taking advantage of the revenue streams either. Bought a ticket on AA lately? I have, many times. Every ticket I've bought on them in the last three years only allows me to buy a window or aisle seat for each leg. Otherwise your dumped in a middle seat.

Tried to buy a ticket on SWA lately? I have numerous times. I don't consider them a LCC any longer. They are restricted in revenue streams. No baggage fees, no soda fees, no reserve a seat fees, no first class uncharged. They're ticket prices reflect it too. Without adding those additional revenue stream to their business model they are boxing themselves into a corner of increased labor cost and only recouping it on the actual ticket sale.
Really!?! Look at any city pairs comparing SWA to Spirit. When you add one carry-on bag and one checked bag the cost of a spirit ticket is upwards of 25% more. How many people take only a purse or computer bag on a trip. GMAFB

Oh, did you see their earnings for the last 5 quarters!
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Old 05-04-2016 | 05:22 PM
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Already have but thanks. And if it's the history books you like to look at I wouldn't get too comfortable on that High Horse of yours


Just curious VEGAS- how many airline contract negotiations have you been involved with?
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Old 05-04-2016 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by VegassBus
Don't be mad at me because you're getting the smallest raise come Contract 2020. And your anger shouldn't be at the young guys like me, it's nobody's fault but your own that you've been here as long as you have and are stuck at this Hellhole until you medical out......

Fix the Slope
I think you over estimate your importance in my world. I don't measure my success / happiness by the size of YOUR pay check. If/when we get a new CBA we will both be getting a raise. If your raise happens to be bigger, good for you. I don't really care that much about you to be angry. I tried to tell you early on how this company works and you were being overly optimistic thinking we would have a TA by August. I said fix the whole pay scale (which also fixes slope) but you and your millennial buddies would rather play the victim, divide the group, and perpetually whine about slope. No matter how much you try to help, sometimes kids just won't listen.
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Old 05-04-2016 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by RadarColor
Really!?! Look at any city pairs comparing SWA to Spirit. When you add one carry-on bag and one checked bag the cost of a spirit ticket is upwards of 25% more. How many people take only a purse or computer bag on a trip. GMAFB

Oh, did you see their earnings for the last 5 quarters!
Did you read anything I posted? You just admitted exactly what I posted about the additional revenue streams on top of the ticket sales. GMAB
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Old 05-04-2016 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod
but you and your millennial buddies would rather play the victim, divide the group, and perpetually whine about slope. No matter how much you try to help, sometimes kids just won't listen.
This^^^^^^^
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Old 05-04-2016 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by The Revenge
Did you read anything I posted? You just admitted exactly what I posted about the additional revenue streams on top of the ticket sales. GMAB
Yes, I did read it. Just wondering if you read your own post on SWA ticket prices. I don't think you did!
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Old 05-04-2016 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod
I think you over estimate your importance in my world. I don't measure my success / happiness by the size of YOUR pay check. If/when we get a new CBA we will both be getting a raise. If your raise happens to be bigger, good for you. I don't really care that much about you to be angry. I tried to tell you early on how this company works and you were being overly optimistic thinking we would have a TA by August. I said fix the whole pay scale (which also fixes slope) but you and your millennial buddies would rather play the victim, divide the group, and perpetually whine about slope. No matter how much you try to help, sometimes kids just won't listen.
You must have me confused. Dementia already?

I never once thought we would have a contract by August
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Old 05-04-2016 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SG1159
Just curious VEGAS- how many airline contract negotiations have you been involved with?
This will be my third
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