Spirit low tier pilots
05-03-2016, 12:11 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by Name User
If I were at Spirit I wouldn't for a second think about leaving for a legacy. The Spirit model is absolutely fantastic and the way to go going forward, and the management understands this. Let's see, highest margin in the industry, fastest growth in the industry, great safety record, by almost all metrics your company is firing on all cylinders. The legacies especially AA are very hurt by your route network and a Frontier tie up will further strength it and also severely hurt UAL.
The legacy cost structure will be their downfall, low oil prices are making the profits profitable now but moving forward they are going to get squeezed. Moving forward, their high cost international flights are going to see immense competition from the likes of NAI or copy cats. I actually like jetBlue over all the carriers out there, they have a great mix of lower cost and excellent service.
You guys may not pay the most right now but what about in the future? You're part of a growing company that has a solid business model. Keep in mind there was a time when UPS and FedEx was where the legacy wannabe's went. Same with SWA. Delta, yes even Delta for a time in the 80's was also a 2nd tier place where guys went to rot sitting sideways on the 727.
Keep your chins up.
The legacy cost structure will be their downfall, low oil prices are making the profits profitable now but moving forward they are going to get squeezed. Moving forward, their high cost international flights are going to see immense competition from the likes of NAI or copy cats. I actually like jetBlue over all the carriers out there, they have a great mix of lower cost and excellent service.
You guys may not pay the most right now but what about in the future? You're part of a growing company that has a solid business model. Keep in mind there was a time when UPS and FedEx was where the legacy wannabe's went. Same with SWA. Delta, yes even Delta for a time in the 80's was also a 2nd tier place where guys went to rot sitting sideways on the 727.
Keep your chins up.
05-03-2016, 12:12 PM
#32
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Position: Switch, Lever & Light Specialist
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Originally Posted by BUSDVR
Also, when this CEO says, we have the fastest captain upgrade, and that's why low compensations are justified, is completely false, and complete nonsense!
Assuming that you upgrade in 2.5 years, a 3rd year Captain in Spirit makes slightly ($10-20), more than a 3rd year FO in Legacies or even JB, SW or VA. But, how about the first two years that Spirit pays almost $40 less than others. When you do the math, even you upgrade as early as two years, you still don't break even with others, and you're still underpaid! Dear CEO, we maybe low tier, according to you, but, defiantly not stupid!!!!
One more thing! Do you guys know any flying school who trains LOW TIER pilot and it's really cheap?!!!!
Assuming that you upgrade in 2.5 years, a 3rd year Captain in Spirit makes slightly ($10-20), more than a 3rd year FO in Legacies or even JB, SW or VA. But, how about the first two years that Spirit pays almost $40 less than others. When you do the math, even you upgrade as early as two years, you still don't break even with others, and you're still underpaid! Dear CEO, we maybe low tier, according to you, but, defiantly not stupid!!!!
One more thing! Do you guys know any flying school who trains LOW TIER pilot and it's really cheap?!!!!
Uh, yikes! It's best to get stuff correct (may be, definitely) when calling others stupid...just saying.
Other than that, your message is spot on accurate!
05-03-2016, 12:42 PM
#33
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Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 4
Originally Posted by BUSDVR
Also, when this CEO says, we have the fastest captain upgrade, and that's why low compensations are justified, is completely false, and complete nonsense!
Assuming that you upgrade in 2.5 years, a 3rd year Captain in Spirit makes slightly ($10-20), more than a 3rd year FO in Legacies or even JB, SW or VA. But, how about the first two years that Spirit pays almost $40 less than others. When you do the math, even you upgrade as early as two years, you still don't break even with others, and you're still underpaid! Dear CEO, we may be low tier, according to you, but, definitely not stupid!!!!
One more thing! Do you guys know any flying school who trains LOW TIER pilot and it's really cheap?!!!!
Assuming that you upgrade in 2.5 years, a 3rd year Captain in Spirit makes slightly ($10-20), more than a 3rd year FO in Legacies or even JB, SW or VA. But, how about the first two years that Spirit pays almost $40 less than others. When you do the math, even you upgrade as early as two years, you still don't break even with others, and you're still underpaid! Dear CEO, we may be low tier, according to you, but, definitely not stupid!!!!
One more thing! Do you guys know any flying school who trains LOW TIER pilot and it's really cheap?!!!!
Originally Posted by Cruise
Uh, yikes! It's best to get stuff correct (may be, definitely) when calling others stupid...just saying.
Other than that, your message is spot on accurate!
Other than that, your message is spot on accurate!
New to forum, and don't know how to edit posts. When I submitted, I noticed, but it was too late!!! Sorry!
05-03-2016, 12:58 PM
#34
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Position: Switch, Lever & Light Specialist
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Originally Posted by BUSDVR
New to forum, and don't know how to edit posts. When I submitted, I noticed, but it was too late!!! Sorry!
I was just bustin' balls. After all, we're Low Tier Pilots...we can't be expected to get it all correct while we're busy cleaning up the drool from our slack jaws, right?!?
No harm was intended, reference the smilies.
05-03-2016, 01:31 PM
#36
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Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 4,599
Originally Posted by Name User
If I were at Spirit I wouldn't for a second think about leaving for a legacy. The Spirit model is absolutely fantastic and the way to go going forward, and the management understands this. Let's see, highest margin in the industry, fastest growth in the industry, great safety record, by almost all metrics your company is firing on all cylinders. The legacies especially AA are very hurt by your route network and a Frontier tie up will further strength it and also severely hurt UAL.
The legacy cost structure will be their downfall, low oil prices are making the profits profitable now but moving forward they are going to get squeezed. Moving forward, their high cost international flights are going to see immense competition from the likes of NAI or copy cats. I actually like jetBlue over all the carriers out there, they have a great mix of lower cost and excellent service.
You guys may not pay the most right now but what about in the future? You're part of a growing company that has a solid business model. Keep in mind there was a time when UPS and FedEx was where the legacy wannabe's went. Same with SWA. Delta, yes even Delta for a time in the 80's was also a 2nd tier place where guys went to rot sitting sideways on the 727.
Keep your chins up.
The legacy cost structure will be their downfall, low oil prices are making the profits profitable now but moving forward they are going to get squeezed. Moving forward, their high cost international flights are going to see immense competition from the likes of NAI or copy cats. I actually like jetBlue over all the carriers out there, they have a great mix of lower cost and excellent service.
You guys may not pay the most right now but what about in the future? You're part of a growing company that has a solid business model. Keep in mind there was a time when UPS and FedEx was where the legacy wannabe's went. Same with SWA. Delta, yes even Delta for a time in the 80's was also a 2nd tier place where guys went to rot sitting sideways on the 727.
Keep your chins up.
05-03-2016, 01:56 PM
#37
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
This industry is a Ferris wheel. Those at the top inevitably come down and those at the bottom eventually rise. I'm not the first to say that there are some long term threats to the legacies on the horizon which may pose a serious threat to their wild profits right now. The next 5 years are bound to be pretty nutty in this industry.
IE: The top pay/benne's for days worked continually gets rationalized over the last 50 years.
05-03-2016, 03:44 PM
#38
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Originally Posted by full of luv
Except it's been like a Ferris Wheel rolling down a hill since the 70's in terms of overall QOL/Income for a part 121 pilot.
IE: The top pay/benne's for days worked continually gets rationalized over the last 50 years.
IE: The top pay/benne's for days worked continually gets rationalized over the last 50 years.
05-03-2016, 05:30 PM
#40
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And for god sake, stop standing behind the podiums in ORD when trying to get a flight out on time. Utilize the ample space/seating provided elsewhere (read: disappear minions).
Last edited by beverage; 05-03-2016 at 05:33 PM. Reason: Maybe we should wait for a page from the crewroom?
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