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Old 05-04-2022, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 123AB
Can anyone who’s been at the overseas sim lately comment on whether or not it’s worth it?
Didn't train overseas, but know people that did. They got junior manned into it--lowest seniority in their GS class. I understand that you do all the sim training, but they bring you back to the US for the type ride. I assume they don't want to deadhead captains to France for seat support.

Is it worth it? Probably neutral. Not a vacation because as you mentioned you should be studying. But you do get per diem, so thats a nice ~$50/day? If you don't handle jet lag well it could be a major negative.
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Old 05-04-2022, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by TipTanks
Didn't train overseas, but know people that did. They got junior manned into it--lowest seniority in their GS class. I understand that you do all the sim training, but they bring you back to the US for the type ride. I assume they don't want to deadhead captains to France for seat support.

Is it worth it? Probably neutral. Not a vacation because as you mentioned you should be studying. But you do get per diem, so thats a nice ~$50/day? If you don't handle jet lag well it could be a major negative.
If you’re not vaccinated against Covid you can’t go to Paris correct?
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Old 05-04-2022, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by 123AB
Can anyone who’s been at the overseas sim lately comment on whether or not it’s worth it?
It was the first slot offered to my class and it dropped to the bottom half of the group - ie not many wanted it. The pair that went enjoyed it, but started PT in STL, flew to Paris for MT1-7 and Loft 1 &2, then flew to DEN for Loft 3 and LOE. Seemed to me to be a lot of travel for little gain (they had maybe 2 days where they could explore). They also were flown to Paris in economy (but got upgraded on the return YMMV).

Personally, I would pick the slot with the best footprint for you. If that is Paris/Finland so be it. You'll have plenty of time to travel while you await IOE.
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Old 05-04-2022, 03:58 PM
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Sims are the biggest event of your professional life. Do it as close to your time zone as possible.
When you’re waiting for IOE non-rev to Paris on Delta One on YOUR schedule. Come back with a French wife as a newly minted ATP holder.

No one wants to send people to Europe for sims.
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Old 05-04-2022, 05:09 PM
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Thanks for the good sim advice everyone. Much appreciated.
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Old 05-04-2022, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 123AB
Can anyone who’s been at the overseas sim lately comment on whether or not it’s worth it? As far as I’m concerned, new hires are super busy prepping and chair flying so I’m not sure if there is really any tangible benefit unless it gets you done sooner or lines up better with whatever timing someone is desiring.
Doing it now. "Worth it" is subjective. I stayed on US time so my socializing and/or visiting time is pretty limited, but that's a personal choice. It's worth it if you get done sooner, and get yourself in the IOE line. Otherwise, just take a US footprint. Not flying because you're waiting on OE is time you're not building for the next job, so if it's a two week difference between STL and Paris, just bite the bullet and come here. Also, it's like $80 something in per diem per day... if you're into the extra money thing.
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Old 05-04-2022, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by goodridecowboy
Doing it now. "Worth it" is subjective. I stayed on US time so my socializing and/or visiting time is pretty limited, but that's a personal choice. It's worth it if you get done sooner, and get yourself in the IOE line. Otherwise, just take a US footprint. Not flying because you're waiting on OE is time you're not building for the next job, so if it's a two week difference between STL and Paris, just bite the bullet and come here. Also, it's like $80 something in per diem per day... if you're into the extra money thing.
Sorry to break it to you if that's really the only reason you did Paris, but IOE doesn't go in order of when you finished your LOE. They don't go in any particular order. Roughly just randomly within your class.
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Old 05-05-2022, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by 510Club
Sorry to break it to you if that's really the only reason you did Paris, but IOE doesn't go in order of when you finished your LOE. They don't go in any particular order. Roughly just randomly within your class.
Yep, I was the first in my class to finish IOE. There are many who finished after me who are now flying. Even people in entire classes after me…I’m now going on week 19 awaiting IOE. I have no clue how they pick who they call for IOE.

Hard to complain about getting paid to sit around but just looking forward to flying before I forget everything.
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Old 05-05-2022, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by LongHornFlyer
Yep, I was the first in my class to finish IOE. There are many who finished after me who are now flying. Even people in entire classes after me…I’m now going on week 19 awaiting IOE. I have no clue how they pick who they call for IOE.

Hard to complain about getting paid to sit around but just looking forward to flying before I forget everything.
IOE is scheduled by your in class seniority, not who finished LOE first, but wow 19 weeks…

I think the most I waited for IOE when I was flying for OO was 3 days.
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Old 05-05-2022, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by KirillTheThrill
IOE is scheduled by your in class seniority, not who finished LOE first...
Not necessarily true, but maybe in theory. People can request IOE from specific domiciles or with specific LCAs (not always granted). The order IOE was scheduled for my class is all over the place.
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