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Old 07-13-2022 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by R0GER BALL
Yep. Too many UND grads here.

3…2…1… here it comes! Ok. Sorry. I’m kidding. Sort of.
Yeah so the UND group of SkyWest hires leaving in droves are sabotaging the pilot group by adding to the mass attrition problem?? You and your troll account domino just have one agenda and zero clue on what’s going to change this company for the better.

Doing what’s best for them by leaving for a major? Wtf are you smoking? Welcome to the regional model, unless it changes drastically that’s always been the routine.

This mass attrition might force Chip’s hand on some massive give on QOL and pay rates. Sticking around and waiting for those changes is foolish. The only pilots sabotaging this negotiation process are the senior folks, Regional lifers, like you who sit and complain on APC and SAPA Forums about things you have zero control over. Try using your FEET, instead of empty threats with your fingers.

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Old 07-13-2022 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Str8 Cash Homie
Yeah so the UND group of SkyWest hires leaving in droves are sabotaging the pilot group by adding to the mass attrition problem?? You and your troll account domino just have one agenda and zero clue on what’s going to change this company for the better.

Doing what’s best for them by leaving for a major? Wtf are you smoking? Welcome to the regional model, unless it changes drastically that’s always been the routine.

This mass attrition might force Chip’s hand on some massive give on QOL and pay rates. Sticking around and waiting for those changes is foolish. The only pilots sabotaging this negotiation process are the senior folks, Regional lifers, like you who sit and complain on APC and SAPA Forums about things you have zero control over. Try using your FEET, instead of empty threats with your fingers.
Annnnnd there it is.
It’s all good
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Old 07-13-2022 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by domino
wont happen here. Every pilot for themselves. They’ll take what they can get. That’s why there is no union. Nobody cares about the group as a whole. They just want what’s best for themselves.
I agree completely, except even with a union you're going to have guys tripping over themselves to make a buck. When SWA had their picket last month with 1,300+ pilots standing outside Dallas Love, there were hundreds of pilots who used the opportunity to pick up open time at a premium. Shameful.
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Old 07-13-2022 | 05:00 PM
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Anyone know what flight benefits Boise domicile gets?
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Old 07-13-2022 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by R0GER BALL
Yep. Too many UND grads here.

3…2…1… here it comes! Ok. Sorry. I’m kidding. Sort of.
You're not wrong.
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Old 07-13-2022 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Timmay
I agree completely, except even with a union you're going to have guys tripping over themselves to make a buck. When SWA had their picket last month with 1,300+ pilots standing outside Dallas Love, there were hundreds of pilots who used the opportunity to pick up open time at a premium. Shameful.
that is true. Remember SWA hires many Skywest pilots. And they bring the “only in it for themselves” mentality with them.
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Old 07-13-2022 | 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ninerdriver
You're not wrong.
he is not. Throw in the riddle group and you’ve got Me Me Me all over.
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Old 07-15-2022 | 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by domino
he is not. Throw in the riddle group and you’ve got Me Me Me all over.
People generally make the choices that best suit the needs of themselves and their families. Are you suggesting that pilots should put the needs of the organization as a whole over their own?

I’m trying to understand what you mean by pilots only caring about themselves.
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Old 07-15-2022 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by rswitz
People generally make the choices that best suit the needs of themselves and their families. Are you suggesting that pilots should put the needs of the organization as a whole over their own?

I’m trying to understand what you mean by pilots only caring about themselves.
While I don’t subscribe to singling any particular pilot group out, the “me me me” attitude of picking up trips for anything less than 300% just to make a little extra cash is just telling the company that pilots are willing to work for less than they are worth. If our pilot group started refusing anything less than 300% the company won’t get coverage and will HAVE to raise the pay for the whole pilot group to make 150% pay worth it to pick stuff up…or make 300% pay the baseline, preferably the first option to make our pay across the board better.

At less than 300% you’re severely selling yourself short in this market which hurts the pilot group as a whole. Honestly, picking up any open time at all right now hurts the collective, but at least 300% is along the lines of what you should be paid for open time. (Ex. $100/hr X 150%, or $50/hr X 300%, however you look at it).

In the longer run (and not too distant future if everyone got on board) you’re going to make more money for your time while also helping everyone else make more money for their time, rather than selling yourself out to two lost days off for that one paycheck you got that had half a car payment extra on it.

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Old 07-15-2022 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by WheelInTheBack
While I don’t subscribe to singling any particular pilot group out, the “me me me” attitude of picking up trips for anything less than 300% just to make a little extra cash is just telling the company that pilots are willing to work for less than they are worth. If our pilot group started refusing anything less than 300% the company won’t get coverage and will HAVE to raise the pay for the whole pilot group to make 150% pay worth it to pick stuff up…or make 300% pay the baseline, preferably the first option to make our pay across the board better.

At less than 300% you’re severely selling yourself short in this market which hurts the pilot group as a whole. Honestly, picking up any open time at all right now hurts the collective, but at least 300% is along the lines of what you should be paid for open time. (Ex. $100/hr X 150%, or $50/hr X 300%, however you look at it).

In the longer run (and not too distant future if everyone got on board) you’re going to make more money for your time while also helping everyone else make more money for their time, rather than selling yourself out to two lost days off for that one paycheck you got that had half a car payment extra on it.
Your point is 100% valid, but unfortunately we will never be in a position to stand united on an idea like this. 10 pilots in a room making a pact to not pick up open time for less than 300% is attainable. 5,000 pilots spread across the entire country, it will never happen (unfortunately).
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