SkyWest ?’s
01-20-2020, 02:24 PM
#671
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Originally Posted by C172CFI
Just made an account to start asking more questions on the forum, really would like to get as much information as I can regarding Skywest.
I am fresh CFI and plan on doing the Skywest Pilot Pathway Program because Skywest is probably going to be the best regional for me in regards to where they have bases. Pay and benefits aren't the highest in the industry but to me are still good compared to the regional airline industry as a whole. I live near Sioux Falls, SD, and will not be moving to an OO base right away, but possibly be getting a crash pad in base. Sioux Falls has many flights to and from MSP and ORD everyday so it honestly is quite an easy commute to those OO bases. I am not necessarily in a rush to get to a major airline. Obviously the faster you get to a major the better due to seniority, but I would be fine with the CRJ or 175 at Skywest. Shouldn't chase the metal you want to fly, but the 175 sure is a beauty!
I see that the CRJ is much more junior than the 175, but some questions for OO pilots on the 175 in MSP:
- What are the chances I would be able to obtain a MSP base on the 175?
- Will doing the Pilot Pathway Program help with obtaining that out of training?
- How long is reserve on the 175 in MSP?
- Is there a lot of flying on the 175 out of MSP?
- How long are you a FO until you can get a captain upgrade on the 175?
- Is MSP a good base for a pilot on the 175 in the future or will the 175s get moved more out west?
- Will Skywest start transitioning their fleet to more 175s in the future?
I know the airline industry is always changing and in a year when I get to ATP minimums, it is going to be a different than it is now. All I am doing is trying to get a perspective about being on the 175 at Skywest and just simply being a pilot at Skywest in general, along with if doing the Pilot Pathway Program is worth it.
Thanks for whoever takes the time to read this and I hope to get some input from anyone on this forum. Take care!
I am fresh CFI and plan on doing the Skywest Pilot Pathway Program because Skywest is probably going to be the best regional for me in regards to where they have bases. Pay and benefits aren't the highest in the industry but to me are still good compared to the regional airline industry as a whole. I live near Sioux Falls, SD, and will not be moving to an OO base right away, but possibly be getting a crash pad in base. Sioux Falls has many flights to and from MSP and ORD everyday so it honestly is quite an easy commute to those OO bases. I am not necessarily in a rush to get to a major airline. Obviously the faster you get to a major the better due to seniority, but I would be fine with the CRJ or 175 at Skywest. Shouldn't chase the metal you want to fly, but the 175 sure is a beauty!
I see that the CRJ is much more junior than the 175, but some questions for OO pilots on the 175 in MSP:
- What are the chances I would be able to obtain a MSP base on the 175?
- Will doing the Pilot Pathway Program help with obtaining that out of training?
- How long is reserve on the 175 in MSP?
- Is there a lot of flying on the 175 out of MSP?
- How long are you a FO until you can get a captain upgrade on the 175?
- Is MSP a good base for a pilot on the 175 in the future or will the 175s get moved more out west?
- Will Skywest start transitioning their fleet to more 175s in the future?
I know the airline industry is always changing and in a year when I get to ATP minimums, it is going to be a different than it is now. All I am doing is trying to get a perspective about being on the 175 at Skywest and just simply being a pilot at Skywest in general, along with if doing the Pilot Pathway Program is worth it.
Thanks for whoever takes the time to read this and I hope to get some input from anyone on this forum. Take care!
01-21-2020, 02:36 AM
#673
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Originally Posted by C172CFI
Just made an account to start asking more questions on the forum, really would like to get as much information as I can regarding Skywest.
I am fresh CFI and plan on doing the Skywest Pilot Pathway Program because Skywest is probably going to be the best regional for me in regards to where they have bases. Pay and benefits aren't the highest in the industry but to me are still good compared to the regional airline industry as a whole. I live near Sioux Falls, SD, and will not be moving to an OO base right away, but possibly be getting a crash pad in base. Sioux Falls has many flights to and from MSP and ORD everyday so it honestly is quite an easy commute to those OO bases. I am not necessarily in a rush to get to a major airline. Obviously the faster you get to a major the better due to seniority, but I would be fine with the CRJ or 175 at Skywest. Shouldn't chase the metal you want to fly, but the 175 sure is a beauty!
I see that the CRJ is much more junior than the 175, but some questions for OO pilots on the 175 in MSP:
- What are the chances I would be able to obtain a MSP base on the 175?
- Will doing the Pilot Pathway Program help with obtaining that out of training?
- How long is reserve on the 175 in MSP?
- Is there a lot of flying on the 175 out of MSP?
- How long are you a FO until you can get a captain upgrade on the 175?
- Is MSP a good base for a pilot on the 175 in the future or will the 175s get moved more out west?
- Will Skywest start transitioning their fleet to more 175s in the future?
I know the airline industry is always changing and in a year when I get to ATP minimums, it is going to be a different than it is now. All I am doing is trying to get a perspective about being on the 175 at Skywest and just simply being a pilot at Skywest in general, along with if doing the Pilot Pathway Program is worth it.
Thanks for whoever takes the time to read this and I hope to get some input from anyone on this forum. Take care!
I am fresh CFI and plan on doing the Skywest Pilot Pathway Program because Skywest is probably going to be the best regional for me in regards to where they have bases. Pay and benefits aren't the highest in the industry but to me are still good compared to the regional airline industry as a whole. I live near Sioux Falls, SD, and will not be moving to an OO base right away, but possibly be getting a crash pad in base. Sioux Falls has many flights to and from MSP and ORD everyday so it honestly is quite an easy commute to those OO bases. I am not necessarily in a rush to get to a major airline. Obviously the faster you get to a major the better due to seniority, but I would be fine with the CRJ or 175 at Skywest. Shouldn't chase the metal you want to fly, but the 175 sure is a beauty!
I see that the CRJ is much more junior than the 175, but some questions for OO pilots on the 175 in MSP:
- What are the chances I would be able to obtain a MSP base on the 175?
- Will doing the Pilot Pathway Program help with obtaining that out of training?
- How long is reserve on the 175 in MSP?
- Is there a lot of flying on the 175 out of MSP?
- How long are you a FO until you can get a captain upgrade on the 175?
- Is MSP a good base for a pilot on the 175 in the future or will the 175s get moved more out west?
- Will Skywest start transitioning their fleet to more 175s in the future?
I know the airline industry is always changing and in a year when I get to ATP minimums, it is going to be a different than it is now. All I am doing is trying to get a perspective about being on the 175 at Skywest and just simply being a pilot at Skywest in general, along with if doing the Pilot Pathway Program is worth it.
Thanks for whoever takes the time to read this and I hope to get some input from anyone on this forum. Take care!
As mentioned above, 175 upgrade is at 3-4 years with the company now but those guys are the plug and will be for another year or so.. wouldn’t recommend.
Yes to the translation to the 175, it’s happening more and more, no surprise there. Wouldn’t hold to MSP... one day it looks junior on the 175, another it may not be... but you’d probably be 1-7 months to getting there no matter the time.
I was a 175 FO and upgraded to the CRJ like a lot here.. and still commuted West to East for a year before able to hold a west coast base at 3 years.
01-25-2020, 06:57 AM
#676
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Originally Posted by hawk21
You don't know how to use PBS if you're saying garbage like this.
01-25-2020, 07:22 AM
#677
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No, incorrect.
the previous poster was correct in saying PBS does not strictly adhere to seniority. It is a function of our software. No matter how well you know the system the system can need you to do something else.
The PBS guide is a far cry from a comprehensive guide to how it acts, especially as your seniority varies.
The best pbs mitigation is to gain seniority. Bidding properties and days off is very straight forward. Ambiguous “constraints” and random coverage dates should anger anyone in a seniority based system. As someone once said, “which days don’t need to be covered”.
the previous poster was correct in saying PBS does not strictly adhere to seniority. It is a function of our software. No matter how well you know the system the system can need you to do something else.
The PBS guide is a far cry from a comprehensive guide to how it acts, especially as your seniority varies.
The best pbs mitigation is to gain seniority. Bidding properties and days off is very straight forward. Ambiguous “constraints” and random coverage dates should anger anyone in a seniority based system. As someone once said, “which days don’t need to be covered”.
01-25-2020, 07:48 AM
#678
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Originally Posted by captive apple
Bidding properties and days off is very straight forward.
Are there times when someone junior got something you wanted? Sure, but in each that I’ve seen it’s been because the senior person didn’t wasn’t legal for the trip in question, had constraints which prevented them from being awarded the trip, or simply didn’t understand what “avoid reserve” actually did. The natural tendency is to then blame the system, of course, but seeing something awarded as PN is a red flag that the user didn’t bid as effectively as they could have. What about coverage dates? Those don’t necessarily honor seniority but again knowing how to use PBS effectively helps mitigates that.
Hawk21 is likely correct in his observation, and I agree with him.
01-25-2020, 09:38 AM
#679
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Originally Posted by hawk21
You don't know how to use PBS if you're saying garbage like this.
01-25-2020, 11:08 AM
#680
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Originally Posted by bradthepilot
Numerous questions to the PBS helpline and postings on the FB page would suggest that this is not the case.
Are there times when someone junior got something you wanted? Sure, but in each that I’ve seen it’s been because the senior person didn’t wasn’t legal for the trip in question, had constraints which prevented them from being awarded the trip, or simply didn’t understand what “avoid reserve” actually did. The natural tendency is to then blame the system, of course, but seeing something awarded as PN is a red flag that the user didn’t bid as effectively as they could have. What about coverage dates? Those don’t necessarily honor seniority but again knowing how to use PBS effectively helps mitigates that.
Hawk21 is likely correct in his observation, and I agree with him.
Are there times when someone junior got something you wanted? Sure, but in each that I’ve seen it’s been because the senior person didn’t wasn’t legal for the trip in question, had constraints which prevented them from being awarded the trip, or simply didn’t understand what “avoid reserve” actually did. The natural tendency is to then blame the system, of course, but seeing something awarded as PN is a red flag that the user didn’t bid as effectively as they could have. What about coverage dates? Those don’t necessarily honor seniority but again knowing how to use PBS effectively helps mitigates that.
Hawk21 is likely correct in his observation, and I agree with him.
Good luck.
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