a few SAPA reps have implied it is not a typo and UALPA has not clarified who is "Approved United Personnel". take that with a grain of salt on the source

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You couldn’t be more mistaken. SKYW operates on behalf of UAL under a capacity purchase agreement. Ownership, operational control, maintenance and tort liability for its aircraft remains with SKYW at all times. UAL leases nothing from SKYW.

 

3) OAL including all other non-exclusive, not okay to get priority on every carrier out there just because you might fly for all of them.[/QUOTE]

I get priority on DL and UA for the same reason a UA pilot gets priority on every UAX carrier: my airline does business with and supports that airline. I should get priority on UA over a spirit pilot because I support the UA system, same as every OO pilot. same with DL. AA should too but that is a whole other dumpster fire. Since AA does not give me priority above OAL on their JS my FOM treats them as OAL on my JS[/QUOTE]

Nope, unless you are an exclusive express carrier, statistically you are OAL 2/3s of the time. I suggest we round that up.

 

Just got the MEC update and it's reassuring to hear that "only a small handful of pilots were affected today"
Obviously one is too many, but glad that it sounds like the vast majority of SkyWest pilots
realize that it's not an FAR violation to carry a CASS approved UAL pilot
and are welcoming them on their jumpseats, as I am with SkyWest pilots in return.
Also great to hear that ALPA is recommending UAL crews forward the SkyWest/Republic crew's name
to the UAL crew's chief pilots as being professionals for carrying the UAL crewmember.

 

This is the professionalism that I’d expect from United. I’m glad to hear they are recognizing the regional pilots who are dedicated to protecting this important benefit and holding the line against any entity that tries to deny any (non-scab) pilot access to the jumpseat.

 

Don't worry about your career. Give some older and wiser heads at UAL credit for a little sense. No one is going to put any burden on the shoulders of a "young FO" like you for this mess. Hell, I was all spun up to start denying OO and RW jumpseat requests when I go back to work later this week, but then our MEC met today and basically told us all not to do that. So I won't. And in the end, I do see the wisdom in that.

The point is that while your (I don't know what to call it -- student council? pretend union?) whatever jumped the shark on Day 1 and told your captains to deny jumpseat requests, cooler heads at the UAL MEC have told us to not respond in kind for now. Extrapolate that more calm, level-headed approach to your situation and how you will be looked at later on down the line. No one is going to put any blame at all on a FO: you don't control the jumpseat, and everyone in this industry understands that.

My advice: show up for work, do your job, and don't worry about anything once those engines are shut down at the end of the last leg. That's the beauty of this career. Go fishing. Or whatever floats your boat. And I look forward to putting away a few cold ones in SYD or DSM or wherever with you someday soon.

 

October 15, 2019
United / United Express Reciprocal Jumpseat Boarding Priority Update #3

The new UAX/UAL jumpseat boarding priority outlined in Flt Ops Bulletin 19-194 became effective today. Please see the October 9 and October 11 MEC updates reposted below for more details and the new boarding priority charts. These new agreements are the result of multiple LEC and MEC resolutions and the culmination of years of work. We have fixed a long-ignored error to better align our jumpseat priorities with industry standards.

In a series of petulant communications that disregard the facts, pilot representatives at Republic and SkyWest (IBT and SAPA) have encouraged their pilots to start denying United pilots the jumpseat. These letters are filled with misleading and inaccurate information intended to harm pilots and operations at both UA and UAX. ALPA and UA management are tracking these denials for action.

Sadly, this misguided effort by IBT and SAPA has resulted in a small handful of United pilots being denied the jumpseat. In our profession, pilots support pilots, and we have no patience for this type of anti-pilot behavior. These new agreements limit the ability of SkyWest and Republic pilots to continue taking unfair advantage of the jumpseat system, as they have for years.

At this time, we ask that everyone take the high road. For now, if you have the opportunity, educate these misguided individuals on how to be a professional union pilot. Prematurely reacting would be counterproductive to the tremendous amount of work being done by the United MEC. Although one denied pilot is too many, the fact remains that an extremely small number of pilots are being affected by this ill-conceived campaign. Based on the messaging we have directly received from their pilots, an overwhelming majority of pilots at Republic and SkyWest do not support their leadership on this issue.

Pilots should be aware of these facts:

The jumpseat agreements are between the carriers: United management and the respective UAX carrier management. The unions, or pilot representatives in the case of SkyWest, are not signatories to the agreements.

On May 14, 2019 United management delivered the new agreements to the UAX carriers. By June 14, five of the eight carriers had signed.

The United MEC Jumpseat Committee and MEC Officers have repeatedly discussed these agreements with the UAX ALPA MEC leadership, SAPA, and IBT for nearly two years. Contrary to misinformation being circulated online, we never advocated that a jumpseater be bumped off their own airline. Instead, we have sought a fair and equitable solution for everyone that no longer disadvantages United pilots and more fairly benefits those pilots who are fully part of the United family.

Contrary to SAPA and IBT misinformation, it is NOT a violation of the FARs to have a United pilot ride in a SkyWest or Republic jumpseat.

Although Mesa has not signed an agreement with United, they are not participating in the Republic and SkyWest actions.

Jumpseat Denials

If you are denied a jumpseat at any of the UAX carriers, provide a detailed report via a jumpseat PDR with the carrier, flight number, and date. Based on the low number of reported jumpseat denials to date, the majority of SkyWest and Republic Captains are still welcoming United pilots and not following the foolish advice they have been given. Denying a United or UAX-exclusive pilot the jumpseat would be an extremely poor decision made by a misinformed and shortsighted pilot.

If you have trouble getting to work, please call your CPO or the FODM for help. As always, please remain professional and respectful. Reference the UPA section 21-P Commuter Policy if needed.

If you successfully jumpseat on SkyWest or Republic, thank the Captain for their professionalism and please PDR it with the carrier, flight number, date, and Captain's name as well.

United Pilots Remain on the High Road

All UAX pilots seeking your jumpseat should be handled in accordance with the new priorities listed below (also found in bulletin 19-194). Take this opportunity to educate them on the facts, and mentor them on the long-term detrimental impact of pitting pilot-against-pilot. By remaining professional and exercising Captain's Authority, we reinforce the value of secure and fair access to all jumpseats.

If you have any questions, please file a PDR to the Jumpseat Committee.

 

“Contrary to SAPA and IBT misinformation, it is NOT a violation of the FARs to have a United pilot ride in a SkyWest or Republic jumpseat.“

Looks like your union has been lying to you. I wouldn’t want a union uses intimidation and lies to get me to conform.

 

This is would absolutely be discoverable in a lawsuit under subpoena power and destruction of such could result in a judge using contempt power (jail time). Also what all of you folks are talking about would lead to a class of disenfranchised pilots who would likely have quite a payday over this deal. But the real effect after the verdict(s) comes back/ settlement(s) are paid would be creating corporate policy denying pilots from ever having input in hiring decisions ever again.... You could create case precedent of bias for essentially any unionized workforce from having the slightest hand in hiring decisions. Such precedent would not only be binding on pilots but pretty much any unionized labor sector in the national economy.

 

Lol....... no