UAL and Jumpseats
10-15-2019, 04:47 AM
#301
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Originally Posted by amcnd
Well looks like UA alpa wouldn't back down. They wanted GoJet dispatchers ahead of us.. and a new category “must ride” above FAA. Maybe they are going after home basing of sorts in there Next contract..
Dumb there dragging line pilots into there dirty work starting today..
Dumb there dragging line pilots into there dirty work starting today..
10-15-2019, 04:52 AM
#302
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Originally Posted by Ghost of Mercy
Ahhhhh, someone needs to do some research.
10-15-2019, 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
Congrats guys. Dummest move I’ve seen in a decade.
10-15-2019, 05:30 AM
#304
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I’ve been reading these posts for awhile and I think most are missing the point. As a united guy here is my experience, and why these changes were proposed.
I can’t tell you how many times I have been bumped off a flight trying to get to work by a Delta Connection (Skywest) pilot. One flight in particular this delta connection pilot, even wearing a delta lanyard got a gate agent to list him 1.5 hours prior to departure on a non Skywest flight. Since he was listed before me I didn’t make the flight because we were in the same priority level. That pilot flies purely delta feed, wears a delta lanyard and he bumped me off an airplane that literally says United on the side of it, and had a placard in the cockpit that says “owned by United Airlines”.
These priority levels are programmed into the system by United, not ualpa. Why would United not want to give priority to me over a delta connection pilot?
Nothing in that proposal was giving priority over you on your own metal. Skywest was given the proposal in May, and chose not to sign it. I feel like sapa thinks they are the ones that have the upper hand and should have been the ones making the proposal. The airplanes don’t say Skywest on the side, they say United, delta, etc. Skywest is a subcontractor. It is a jumpseat agreement. Sapa was given the agreement and choose no to sign it. Therefore there is no agreement and you get lumped in with American, Southwest etc. sign it and you get moved up a priority level.
Almost every crew I have interacted with at Skywest have been professional crews that would be a great addition to any of the big 3. I have also had experience with your lifers who don’t list for the jumpseat and show up 30 minutes prior and give a little smirk as they bump you off the flight. It seems like those are the ones sending you down this rabbit hole. I am sure as a lifer they want to enjoy their pass benifits on all the big three and the ability to bump me off of other united express carriers. But these United pilots you are denying the jumpseat to will be your coworkers someday.
I hope this gets rectified soon, but in the mean time I will do as my union has asked me to do and file a report every time I get denied the jumpseat.
I can’t tell you how many times I have been bumped off a flight trying to get to work by a Delta Connection (Skywest) pilot. One flight in particular this delta connection pilot, even wearing a delta lanyard got a gate agent to list him 1.5 hours prior to departure on a non Skywest flight. Since he was listed before me I didn’t make the flight because we were in the same priority level. That pilot flies purely delta feed, wears a delta lanyard and he bumped me off an airplane that literally says United on the side of it, and had a placard in the cockpit that says “owned by United Airlines”.
These priority levels are programmed into the system by United, not ualpa. Why would United not want to give priority to me over a delta connection pilot?
Nothing in that proposal was giving priority over you on your own metal. Skywest was given the proposal in May, and chose not to sign it. I feel like sapa thinks they are the ones that have the upper hand and should have been the ones making the proposal. The airplanes don’t say Skywest on the side, they say United, delta, etc. Skywest is a subcontractor. It is a jumpseat agreement. Sapa was given the agreement and choose no to sign it. Therefore there is no agreement and you get lumped in with American, Southwest etc. sign it and you get moved up a priority level.
Almost every crew I have interacted with at Skywest have been professional crews that would be a great addition to any of the big 3. I have also had experience with your lifers who don’t list for the jumpseat and show up 30 minutes prior and give a little smirk as they bump you off the flight. It seems like those are the ones sending you down this rabbit hole. I am sure as a lifer they want to enjoy their pass benifits on all the big three and the ability to bump me off of other united express carriers. But these United pilots you are denying the jumpseat to will be your coworkers someday.
I hope this gets rectified soon, but in the mean time I will do as my union has asked me to do and file a report every time I get denied the jumpseat.
10-15-2019, 05:41 AM
#305
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Did I read the letter correctly this morning? UAL and UEX-E pilots have priority over OO pilots on their own metal? Is that correct?
10-15-2019, 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by shrsailplanes
Did I read the letter correctly this morning? UAL and UEX-E pilots have priority over OO pilots on their own metal? Is that correct?
10-15-2019, 05:53 AM
#307
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Despite the utterly ridiculous and vile threats I see and UA folk talking of removing LORs and derailing careers for OO guys who have had absolutely nothing to do with this, I plan to remain an adult and maintain the “professional” part of my title that comes before the word “pilot” and you are still going to be welcome in my JS.
Some predictions though...
As it was previously posted, we now do over 900 departures a day for UA, that flying isn’t going anywhere despite what you may think/hope.
Inevitably it will be the case that you will not get PS on all flights you can’t jump seat on.
Sadly there will be a disruption of some degree to UA ops.
UALPA will end up negotiating, probably not much but an agreement will be put on place.
This will all be old news before long.
Y’all will be up in arms and threatening a new group over something else before the year is out.
Some predictions though...
As it was previously posted, we now do over 900 departures a day for UA, that flying isn’t going anywhere despite what you may think/hope.
Inevitably it will be the case that you will not get PS on all flights you can’t jump seat on.
Sadly there will be a disruption of some degree to UA ops.
UALPA will end up negotiating, probably not much but an agreement will be put on place.
This will all be old news before long.
Y’all will be up in arms and threatening a new group over something else before the year is out.
10-15-2019, 05:56 AM
#308
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Originally Posted by Glenntilton
Not correct.
3. Lowering SkyWest pilots in the priority lists on all UAL/UAX-E and GoJet operated flights
10-15-2019, 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by shrsailplanes
What does “All” mean in this line?:
3. Lowering SkyWest pilots in the priority lists on all UAL/UAX-E and GoJet operated flights
3. Lowering SkyWest pilots in the priority lists on all UAL/UAX-E and GoJet operated flights
10-15-2019, 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by N89510
I’ve been reading these posts for awhile and I think most are missing the point. As a united guy here is my experience, and why these changes were proposed.
I can’t tell you how many times I have been bumped off a flight trying to get to work by a Delta Connection (Skywest) pilot. One flight in particular this delta connection pilot, even wearing a delta lanyard got a gate agent to list him 1.5 hours prior to departure on a non Skywest flight. Since he was listed before me I didn’t make the flight because we were in the same priority level. That pilot flies purely delta feed, wears a delta lanyard and he bumped me off an airplane that literally says United on the side of it, and had a placard in the cockpit that says “owned by United Airlines”.
These priority levels are programmed into the system by United, not ualpa. Why would United not want to give priority to me over a delta connection pilot?
Nothing in that proposal was giving priority over you on your own metal. Skywest was given the proposal in May, and chose not to sign it. I feel like sapa thinks they are the ones that have the upper hand and should have been the ones making the proposal. The airplanes don’t say Skywest on the side, they say United, delta, etc. Skywest is a subcontractor. It is a jumpseat agreement. Sapa was given the agreement and choose no to sign it. Therefore there is no agreement and you get lumped in with American, Southwest etc. sign it and you get moved up a priority level.
Almost every crew I have interacted with at Skywest have been professional crews that would be a great addition to any of the big 3. I have also had experience with your lifers who don’t list for the jumpseat and show up 30 minutes prior and give a little smirk as they bump you off the flight. It seems like those are the ones sending you down this rabbit hole. I am sure as a lifer they want to enjoy their pass benifits on all the big three and the ability to bump me off of other united express carriers. But these United pilots you are denying the jumpseat to will be your coworkers someday.
I hope this gets rectified soon, but in the mean time I will do as my union has asked me to do and file a report every time I get denied the jumpseat.
I can’t tell you how many times I have been bumped off a flight trying to get to work by a Delta Connection (Skywest) pilot. One flight in particular this delta connection pilot, even wearing a delta lanyard got a gate agent to list him 1.5 hours prior to departure on a non Skywest flight. Since he was listed before me I didn’t make the flight because we were in the same priority level. That pilot flies purely delta feed, wears a delta lanyard and he bumped me off an airplane that literally says United on the side of it, and had a placard in the cockpit that says “owned by United Airlines”.
These priority levels are programmed into the system by United, not ualpa. Why would United not want to give priority to me over a delta connection pilot?
Nothing in that proposal was giving priority over you on your own metal. Skywest was given the proposal in May, and chose not to sign it. I feel like sapa thinks they are the ones that have the upper hand and should have been the ones making the proposal. The airplanes don’t say Skywest on the side, they say United, delta, etc. Skywest is a subcontractor. It is a jumpseat agreement. Sapa was given the agreement and choose no to sign it. Therefore there is no agreement and you get lumped in with American, Southwest etc. sign it and you get moved up a priority level.
Almost every crew I have interacted with at Skywest have been professional crews that would be a great addition to any of the big 3. I have also had experience with your lifers who don’t list for the jumpseat and show up 30 minutes prior and give a little smirk as they bump you off the flight. It seems like those are the ones sending you down this rabbit hole. I am sure as a lifer they want to enjoy their pass benifits on all the big three and the ability to bump me off of other united express carriers. But these United pilots you are denying the jumpseat to will be your coworkers someday.
I hope this gets rectified soon, but in the mean time I will do as my union has asked me to do and file a report every time I get denied the jumpseat.
Tired of hearing this excuse from United pilots when its blatantly false. Sure, these things happened. But if that was all the problem really was, then you would have chosen one of a number of better solutions. Instead, you guys created an entirely new priority with you at the top of it (after own metal). How convenient that your "solution" to the problem just so happened to put you guys higher up in priority than the regional guys who only fly United (if not on own metal).
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