UAL and Jumpseats
10-15-2019 | 08:21 AM
#332
New Hire
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What does the POI say?
It has been mentioned that the company and the union* are totally separate entities so it begs the question. . . With the threat, by the union* of certificate action for allowing jumpseats to UAL pilots, has any genius taken to time to contact management or the POI? I see lots of rhetoric and internet toughness and a woeful lack of research.
10-15-2019 | 08:25 AM
#333
Banned
Joined: Feb 2018
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It has been mentioned that the company and the union* are totally separate entities so it begs the question. . . With the threat, by the union* of certificate action for allowing jumpseats to UAL pilots, has any genius taken to time to contact management or the POI? I see lots of rhetoric and internet toughness and a woeful lack of research.
10-15-2019 | 08:38 AM
#334
On Reserve
Joined: May 2019
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One long time lurking aviator’s first and final thoughts:
Harming other pilots intentionally leaves deep scars
History reflects UAL pilots have verrry long memories. Following the SAPA lifers over the cliff could have significant consequences for those of you with long term career aspirations other than Skywest that include UA
You may find yourself interviewing in front of a Captain who remembers this silliness and may question your ability and willingness to have his back
If you do find your way to the line at mainline, that Captain you are flying with on probation may be one of those with a very long memory, especially since it’s highly likely he/she commutes
If you don’t think mothership is going to respond aggressively when pilots start exercising protection under their commuter policy and flights start cancelling, think again. Mothership is left holding the bag and pilots left behind are protected by contract. Mothership will be looking for payback. A lot of it.
One final thought:
The jumpseat is entirely the domain of the Captain. Along with that responsibility comes a code that includes a long standing understanding pilots do not get involved in politics.
If you deny me a jumpseat and I can’t get to work, I will say thank you for your consideration, I’ll go home, exercise my protections, enjoy the day off, and forward the flight information to the union and the company as required.
Harming other pilots intentionally leaves deep scars
History reflects UAL pilots have verrry long memories. Following the SAPA lifers over the cliff could have significant consequences for those of you with long term career aspirations other than Skywest that include UA
You may find yourself interviewing in front of a Captain who remembers this silliness and may question your ability and willingness to have his back
If you do find your way to the line at mainline, that Captain you are flying with on probation may be one of those with a very long memory, especially since it’s highly likely he/she commutes
If you don’t think mothership is going to respond aggressively when pilots start exercising protection under their commuter policy and flights start cancelling, think again. Mothership is left holding the bag and pilots left behind are protected by contract. Mothership will be looking for payback. A lot of it.
One final thought:
The jumpseat is entirely the domain of the Captain. Along with that responsibility comes a code that includes a long standing understanding pilots do not get involved in politics.
If you deny me a jumpseat and I can’t get to work, I will say thank you for your consideration, I’ll go home, exercise my protections, enjoy the day off, and forward the flight information to the union and the company as required.
SOOO many contradictions, I don't know where to start.
The jumpseat is the domain of the captain, but I'm going to stand behind my union circumventing the previous agreement and changing the software to force their position. Then I'm going to report that captain so that he can't get hired here. Nice. So you'll weaponize hiring so you can have your way, right when you're going to be retiring nearly a 1000 pilots a year.
Speaking of which, you'll make sure pilots with a spine don't get hired/ You only want pilots who meekly go along with what an outside organization has dictated to you, and punish those who join with their pilot group to stand up for themselves? Hope you guys never need to hold another strike vote.
This is all just stupid. Your union took advantage of the fact that you've sort of acquired part ownership of CommuteAir and XJT to push an agenda that has been tried just about every two years. UALPA talks a good game about elevating "dedicated" regionals in priority, but then changed TOC to DOH, pretty much guaranteeing that most of the pilots in those groups will still lose out. Creating the "must ride" tier is the sneakiest of all, and possibly paves the way for telling us in the future that UAL will go ahead of everyone else.
10-15-2019 | 08:48 AM
#335
Porco Rosso
Joined: Apr 2018
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It has been mentioned that the company and the union* are totally separate entities so it begs the question. . . With the threat, by the union* of certificate action for allowing jumpseats to UAL pilots, has any genius taken to time to contact management or the POI? I see lots of rhetoric and internet toughness and a woeful lack of research.
*takes off SAPA badge, puts on SGU hat*
"I guess I'd better let the chief pilot know immediately."
Seriously, guys. The FAA isn't going to violate you. The company might fire you as an example, though.
On the plus side, that'd probably be a really easy way to find yourself on the short list to United.
10-15-2019 | 08:49 AM
#336
Line Holder
Joined: May 2015
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From: 777 CA
SOOO many contradictions, I don't know where to start.
The jumpseat is the domain of the captain, but I'm going to stand behind my union circumventing the previous agreement and changing the software to force their position. Then I'm going to report that captain so that he can't get hired here. Nice. So you'll weaponize hiring so you can have your way, right when you're going to be retiring nearly a 1000 pilots a year.
Speaking of which, you'll make sure pilots with a spine don't get hired/ You only want pilots who meekly go along with what an outside organization has dictated to you, and punish those who join with their pilot group to stand up for themselves? Hope you guys never need to hold another strike vote.
This is all just stupid. Your union took advantage of the fact that you've sort of acquired part ownership of CommuteAir and XJT to push an agenda that has been tried just about every two years. UALPA talks a good game about elevating "dedicated" regionals in priority, but then changed TOC to DOH, pretty much guaranteeing that most of the pilots in those groups will still lose out. Creating the "must ride" tier is the sneakiest of all, and possibly paves the way for telling us in the future that UAL will go ahead of everyone else.
The jumpseat is the domain of the captain, but I'm going to stand behind my union circumventing the previous agreement and changing the software to force their position. Then I'm going to report that captain so that he can't get hired here. Nice. So you'll weaponize hiring so you can have your way, right when you're going to be retiring nearly a 1000 pilots a year.
Speaking of which, you'll make sure pilots with a spine don't get hired/ You only want pilots who meekly go along with what an outside organization has dictated to you, and punish those who join with their pilot group to stand up for themselves? Hope you guys never need to hold another strike vote.
This is all just stupid. Your union took advantage of the fact that you've sort of acquired part ownership of CommuteAir and XJT to push an agenda that has been tried just about every two years. UALPA talks a good game about elevating "dedicated" regionals in priority, but then changed TOC to DOH, pretty much guaranteeing that most of the pilots in those groups will still lose out. Creating the "must ride" tier is the sneakiest of all, and possibly paves the way for telling us in the future that UAL will go ahead of everyone else.
10-15-2019 | 08:49 AM
#337
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Joined: Jun 2007
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From: 73N
Here is my prediction.
SkyWest captains deny enough UAL jumpseaters to make some noise.
United pilots follow the direction of their Union and are unharmed.
United has to cancel flights or staff them at premium pay.
A bean counter somewhere loses his mind, and asks, who is SAPA?
SkyWest loses travel benefits on United until the order to deny jumpseaters is rescinded.
At this point it’s hard to guess how SAPA will react. Based on the past it’s hard to imagine they will make a wise choice, but maybe they will be replaced by their pilot group, if that is even possible. I’ll admit I don’t know anything about how a pseudo union operates.
SkyWest captains deny enough UAL jumpseaters to make some noise.
United pilots follow the direction of their Union and are unharmed.
United has to cancel flights or staff them at premium pay.
A bean counter somewhere loses his mind, and asks, who is SAPA?
SkyWest loses travel benefits on United until the order to deny jumpseaters is rescinded.
At this point it’s hard to guess how SAPA will react. Based on the past it’s hard to imagine they will make a wise choice, but maybe they will be replaced by their pilot group, if that is even possible. I’ll admit I don’t know anything about how a pseudo union operates.
10-15-2019 | 08:50 AM
#338
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Joined: Oct 2019
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SOOO many contradictions, I don't know where to start.
The jumpseat is the domain of the captain, but I'm going to stand behind my union circumventing the previous agreement and changing the software to force their position. Then I'm going to report that captain so that he can't get hired here. Nice. So you'll weaponize hiring so you can have your way, right when you're going to be retiring nearly a 1000 pilots a year.
Speaking of which, you'll make sure pilots with a spine don't get hired/ You only want pilots who meekly go along with what an outside organization has dictated to you, and punish those who join with their pilot group to stand up for themselves? Hope you guys never need to hold another strike vote.
This is all just stupid. Your union took advantage of the fact that you've sort of acquired part ownership of CommuteAir and XJT to push an agenda that has been tried just about every two years. UALPA talks a good game about elevating "dedicated" regionals in priority, but then changed TOC to DOH, pretty much guaranteeing that most of the pilots in those groups will still lose out. Creating the "must ride" tier is the sneakiest of all, and possibly paves the way for telling us in the future that UAL will go ahead of everyone else.
The jumpseat is the domain of the captain, but I'm going to stand behind my union circumventing the previous agreement and changing the software to force their position. Then I'm going to report that captain so that he can't get hired here. Nice. So you'll weaponize hiring so you can have your way, right when you're going to be retiring nearly a 1000 pilots a year.
Speaking of which, you'll make sure pilots with a spine don't get hired/ You only want pilots who meekly go along with what an outside organization has dictated to you, and punish those who join with their pilot group to stand up for themselves? Hope you guys never need to hold another strike vote.
This is all just stupid. Your union took advantage of the fact that you've sort of acquired part ownership of CommuteAir and XJT to push an agenda that has been tried just about every two years. UALPA talks a good game about elevating "dedicated" regionals in priority, but then changed TOC to DOH, pretty much guaranteeing that most of the pilots in those groups will still lose out. Creating the "must ride" tier is the sneakiest of all, and possibly paves the way for telling us in the future that UAL will go ahead of everyone else.
When the flight is operating under a U flight number, nobody should have priority over a U employee ever, front or back but I don’t make the rules. I DO, however, control my jumpseat and I don’t weaponize it(except for SCABS).
If you participate in weaponizing the jumpseat, it will be noted and shared because YOU are the enemy.
10-15-2019 | 08:54 AM
#339
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jul 2008
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This isnt the first time UA has done something to get around priority. Remember the “vacation pass” issue ... im fine if they would gibe express pilots some also..
10-15-2019 | 09:18 AM
#340
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Aug 2014
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Hell, if they even just put vacation passes below us on own metal, I'd be down with this new program. Giving us some would be even better.
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