UAL and Jumpseats
10-15-2019, 10:26 AM
#351
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Originally Posted by Bravix
4/5 is all UA express that have signed the agreement. If SkyWest signs, that'd be our position.
For now, we are at OAL. The chart for flying on Express-Exclusive carriers and mainline is different than this one.
For now, we are at OAL. The chart for flying on Express-Exclusive carriers and mainline is different than this one.
What you are saying is on UA/UAX-EX as a UAX-NE you would be behind UA/UAX-EX, but still before OAL? I honestly think that would fair if UAX-NE do the majority of their flying for AA + DL (I assume flying divided roughly equally between UA/DL/AA?).
(UAX-EX = exclusive Express, UAX-NE non exclusive Express.)
I think the smart thing for SKW (and the other 2) would be to get someone else in the office to sign this, get ASAP out ASAP, and start a card drive. If you insist on pi$$ing of UAL, you can always go IBT/APA.
10-15-2019, 10:26 AM
#352
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Originally Posted by symbian simian
You are exactly right, the same way I don't own my car, I lease it. It will drive where I want it to go, but I don't have the title, and if I don't pay the bill, I have to walk to work.
You and your car are not a commercial venture.
10-15-2019, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by watcher444
I think you are agreeing with me. One very big difference:
You and your car are not a commercial venture.
You and your car are not a commercial venture.
You are right about part 2, not sure but agree to disagree about part one...
10-15-2019, 10:30 AM
#354
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Does an Uber driver put who he wants in the seats when you’re paying the fare?
10-15-2019, 10:34 AM
#355
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Originally Posted by symbian simian
So just to clarify for myself (innocent bystander, just curious), please correct me where I am wrong:
1) Must ride: Not to be used for regular commuting pilots that call scheduling after getting bumped of the jumpseat?
2/3) Own metal.
4/5) Is this all UA express, or just exclusive?
6/7) Me (and depending on the answer for #4, Go-jet and SKW I guess)
8/9/10) who cares...
1) Must ride: Not to be used for regular commuting pilots that call scheduling after getting bumped of the jumpseat?
2/3) Own metal.
4/5) Is this all UA express, or just exclusive?
6/7) Me (and depending on the answer for #4, Go-jet and SKW I guess)
8/9/10) who cares...
(like the FAA maintenance inspector type I just had in the jumpseat, who when handed a Coke at the gate by the FA,
dropped it on my left seat rail exploding it in a carefully directed spray all over the circuit breakers of a finely tuned guppy. Thanks bro!)
10-15-2019, 10:35 AM
#356
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
Does an Uber driver put who he wants in the seats when you’re paying the fare?
10-15-2019, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
Does an Uber driver put who he wants in the seats when you’re paying the fare?
10-15-2019, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by symbian simian
You are right about part 2, not sure but agree to disagree about part one...
You lease your car so you control it’s use. If you sub-lease it to me in a commercial venture, you cede control of the asset to me. I then pay you to operate it.
How it gets used , who it carries, and where it goes falls under my usage. (Assuming there is a contract in place).
10-15-2019, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by symbian simian
Nope, but I was just giving a friendly reminder that there is a difference between owning an asset and leasing it. The situation is ridicilous, but you can't tell a SKW pilot he cannot use the term own-metal with regards to the cockpit seats, seeing as they do actually own the metal, and AA/DL/UA just rent the seats in the back.
You have zero legal relationship to the aircraft or venture. You are literally there as a matter of convenience from a venture perspective. It is LITERALLY NOT your aircraft from a legal perspective.
10-15-2019, 10:44 AM
#360
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Originally Posted by Bravix
Come back to me when United owns the plane 
The metal is literally owned by SkyWest.
The metal is literally owned by SkyWest.If you did not have a capacity agreement with United
You would not have been able to lease “your” plane.
United is your customer and without a customer there is no business
Last edited by tomgoodman; 10-15-2019 at 12:27 PM. Reason: Flamebait
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