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08-09-2020, 07:56 AM
#231
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Originally Posted by TheOtherGuy25
CQ and training events are all done within strict guidelines all approved by the company/FAA. Asking unusual off the cuff or "unnecessary" questions if you will, is fine in my book when its non punitive but when these questions end up putting a pilot in special tracking then there is a problem with the individual asking them.
If someone goes to CQ and doesn't know their basic limitations etc...well clearly thats not good enough. But being asked the birthdate of the second uncle of the guy who designed the seat cushion is a little overboard despite all best intentions to "teach"
If someone goes to CQ and doesn't know their basic limitations etc...well clearly thats not good enough. But being asked the birthdate of the second uncle of the guy who designed the seat cushion is a little overboard despite all best intentions to "teach"
Having observed a few of my students’ orals, and during my own non-jeopardy oral prep with them, my problem with these types of questions is they throw people off. No one likes being wrong or feeling unprepared. When you start asking useless trivia without prefacing it by making it clear this is not something they were expected to know, you’re going to get people second guessing and off rhythm. I’ve seen it rattle people to the point where they start missing questions they do know because they’ve been thrown off. Once people have been through a few CQ’s it’s probably not a huge factor, but in new hires or first time upgrades it’s pretty cruel. Especially in some of the more neurotic, honor roll type younger pilots. “Oh my god, I thought I prepared but I didn’t know how long the escape rope was! What else don’t I know?”. I’ve seen students ace oral preps and then in the debrief think they did terrible because they didn’t know one of my “bonus questions”.
That being said, 9/10 of the “horror stories” I hear about most examiners aren’t accurate. There are a few bad eggs out there but most of the “He failed me because I didn’t know how to use the coffee maker!” stories are false. No, he failed you because you missed 20 softball limitations/systems questions, the coffee maker was just the final straw.
08-09-2020, 04:29 PM
#232
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Joined APC: Jan 2007
Posts: 187
Originally Posted by JohnnyBekkestad
the person In question is known for going of the approved FAA KV and asking his own questions that he deems are important and if you don’t answer them correctly he will fail you...
Nice joke.
08-09-2020, 05:21 PM
#233
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: B747 FO
Posts: 610
Originally Posted by E6BAV8R
Wait, what? You mean basic private pilot check airman, CFI check airman, 135, 121 or FAA check airman ADP's cannot go beyond the "approved FAA KV" for any checkride?
Nice joke.
Nice joke.
08-09-2020, 05:44 PM
#235
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Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 2,522
Originally Posted by JohnnyBekkestad
No, i am saying that if you ask someone how many ribbets a wing had and you don't know you fail your KV.
08-17-2020, 04:21 AM
#238
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Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: Seat 0B
Posts: 2,300
Originally Posted by ninerdriver
Once upon a time, I had a car with a lot of rust. In order to pass my annual inspection, I had to ribbet some steel to one of the fenders.
08-17-2020, 04:39 AM
#239
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Joined APC: Sep 2008
Position: B767
Posts: 1,901
Originally Posted by Meep
The fact he asked how long the escape rope is says enough.....
I had him for my my first CQ on the CRJ, and it was not an enjoyable experience. I always show up prepared for every checkride, have never failed a checkride, and this was one I was looking forward to as I had been on the line flying it for a bit and had some questions I wanted to ask him about.
He mumbled through the brief, and started off very antagonistic with my sim partner (a senior CRJ CA that was really good and really nice) and myself. We passed with no problem since both my Sim partner and I were very prepared, but I was very disappointed at what was to me an unprofessional sim event. My Sim partner knew it was my first CRJ CQ (I had been on the bro for a year), and he was so embarrassed by what we had to deal with that he apologized for ST's behavior.
A couple of years later he did my ASE recurrent, which is a no threat event. He actually was very nice, but I also knew way more about everything in ASE than he did so he was pretty much just there to check the box and get his sweet sim pay.
I would not have ever tried to change instructors if I had him again, but definitely not my favorite. I also had the notorious KA for CQ one time, and that guy was definitely worse and quite honestly kind of a dumbass. If anyone at my current employer attempted to pull that same stuff, the sim would be stopped immediately and the instructor would be fired.
I also went through ERJ training in DEN, and everything about that was 100% professional and outstanding.
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