rickair7777

Actually totally incorrect.

It's possible to have an employment contract without a union. That's exactly the case with OO.

Typical office worker does not, but your typical executive *does* have an employment contract, and he's not part of some "executive professionals union". So do certain other professionals and tech talent.

rickair7777

This is about right. The issue isn't lack of contract, it's more about the process that defines the contract. SGU doesn't mind having a contract as long as it's largely on their terms.

Prospect

The reality though is that even without a Union, OO has always had competitive work rules and pay. And they will continue to, because they must if they want to continue to operate. It's that simple. So much talk on here about not having a union, and I don't get why. How are we suffering by not having a union? The AA WO's just got a new contract, and I hope we demand the same pay or better or vote to unionize if we don't get it. But the NEW work rules they're bragging about getting (2:1 duty rigs, Long Call Reserve, 100% deadhead pay, 150% holiday pay, PBS, etc) are things we've had for awhile. And we don't pay union dues to get it.

We shouldn't be upset we don't have a union... we should be playing the unionization card in order to get better contracts and hope we never have to actually unionize to get a competitive contract.

LAXtoDEN

I can almost guarantee you the entire TA that was written for the WO regionals was negotiated between WO management and AA management. The data on attrition was on full display and mainline AA’s management finally “woke up and smelled the roses”. I’m sure their MEC helped out in the process with giving insight to “why everyone is leaving” and signed the required the documents, but that’s about it.

It’s all about supply and demand, and it will ALWAYS BE ABOUT SUPPLY AND DEMAND.

Domino is just some lousy POS that’s somehow still an FO, which means (s)he most likely failed upgrade and now jumps on APC to bash a company that has railroaded their career.

domino

skywest employees do not have a contract. They sign no such thing. They are at will employees. Fact.

domino

I KNEW you were a management lackey. And it’s funny coming from you. The original.

trip

So what’s SKW managements plan? Have the had a smell yet?

TipTanks

You're not wrong. I've wondered about the whole "negotiating" process...at the end of the day, its more of a discussion than a negotiation. What if OO pilots voted "no"? Then what? Can't strike. There's no binding arbitration. Theoretically the company could just fire all the pilots and start over with a new house. We have no employment contracts.

That said, the threat of a union is more effective than a union at OO. I fully expect SkyWest to come out with something competitive, and if they don't...well this place won't be open long enough for a union to matter.

LAXtoDEN

I’m sorry what point are you attempting to make towards my remarks with that condescending question?

I don’t work at SkyWest, I don’t know what OO management’s plans are, and I could honestly care less about it.

What I’m having a hard time understanding is the amount of significantly better opportunities available atm including a regional that now pays FO wages better than year 4 OO captains and the motivation is to come on APC and complain instead of making an actual effort to LEAVE.

I made an entire thread proving just about any job you leave for is better than staying at SkyWest.

Domino is a clown who’s salty about failing upgrade and just jumps on APC to toss shade at his own employer for bad reasons.

LAXtoDEN

That’s exactly right.