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Old 06-22-2022, 05:01 AM
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135.243.(a)(1)
Need an ATP for 135 scheduled multi-engine service.

No ATP if service is on-demand OR scheduled service is done in a single-engine aircraft.
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Old 06-22-2022, 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by TFAYD View Post
The real question is who will be marketing those flights. I don’t think they will show up with UA or DL flight numbers in some reservation system.

Is OO starting to sell tickets? Can you book a continuous itinerary from Podunk to ATL? Will they get connection fees from any mainline partner?

This will get really interesting.
Several airlines already do this with Cape Air, so there's precedent.
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Originally Posted by TipTanks View Post
I’m not an aviation lawyer, but I doubt you are either. So really I don’t know.

But seems like a bit of a paper shuffle to have a charter company sell the tickets and have the certificate holder operate the flights.

I don’t know. If it were me I might incorporate a company called SW Charter Holdings, Inc. to operate the flights and then another company called SkyWest Charter, LLC to sell the tickets.

Point is it can be done. I can buy a ticket to Vegas on JSX any day of the week. Feels no different than buying a ticket on Southwest.
James is (or was) an FAA Fed, probably has some insight into the regs.
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Captains going to be retirees?
Not at $77/hr....
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Company memo said they will hold the charter side to the same safety standards as the 121 side. Not a whole lot of new info. But will use 200’s currently not being used.
So 1000 hours 121 for a captain and an ATP for the FO?

right?

right?????
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Originally Posted by TwOtter View Post
Need an ATP for 135 scheduled multi-engine service.

No ATP if service is on-demand OR scheduled service is done in a single-engine aircraft.

Yeah my miss. That’s why Cape and Boutique and Tradewind don’t use ME aircraft.

So if the captain of this SW Charter has to have an ATP, why would they do that job? Great deal to lock in 250 hour FOs but how do you get a captain to stay there getting TPIC for at least 1250 hours?
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Yeah my miss. That’s why Cape and Boutique and Tradewind don’t use ME aircraft.

So if the captain of this SW Charter has to have an ATP, why would they do that job? Great deal to lock in 250 hour FOs but how do you get a captain to stay there getting TPIC for at least 1250 hours?
The Captains will be retired guys with a couple ex wives and alimony payments.
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Originally Posted by TipTanks View Post
Yeah my miss. That’s why Cape and Boutique and Tradewind don’t use ME aircraft.

So if the captain of this SW Charter has to have an ATP, why would they do that job? Great deal to lock in 250 hour FOs but how do you get a captain to stay there getting TPIC for at least 1250 hours?
Pay the FO peanuts for the experience and I'm sure they will have a line of wet commercial guys who don't what to instruct do it and give the captains 110k+. Then when the FO has the time they upgraded and tell the new FO I did it so you can too.
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Pay the FO peanuts for the experience and I'm sure they will have a line of wet commercial guys who don't what to instruct do it and give the captains 110k+. Then when the FO has the time they upgraded and tell the new FO I did it so you can too.
The only captains that make sense are the 65+ crowd. But really are there enough of those to staff a whole operation?

Otherwise, if I’m an ATP and I want to go to the 121 airlines, you could make a pitch that TPIC as a 135 captain is more valuable than SIC 121 time and you can skip the regional…but that’s certainly not what OO wants to see happen.

The captains are the bottleneck.
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This explain why management got new hierarchy titles about a year ago. Some how the chief pilot still has a medical, Ford is his favorite airplane manufacturer.
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