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Old 08-30-2022 | 05:43 AM
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What we are witnessing is the death of the regionals. The implosion. It’s similar to the bubble before a market crash. Rapid escalation in pay rates as a desperate measure to hang on for a few more years. Then the bankruptcies begin when the recession kicks in deep next year. Then the collapses. One or two regionals will come out alive, but with substantially reduced pay scales and much smaller pilot groups. The lucky will get hired by the majors, the rest will be furloughed. Bankruptcies are used regularly by airlines as a business tool. This time it will be the regionals turn and we will all get to see how it ends for most of them. It’s only a matter of time. Plan for that and you won’t be caught off guard. What I haven’t counted for is the elections of 2024 and the substantial possibility that the USA will plunge into chaos and the possibility of a civil war. Then all bets are off and no regional would survive long.
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Old 08-30-2022 | 08:08 AM
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Can someone show me the QOL improvements?

Just match Envoy and send it to a vote.

Quit wasting everyones time.
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Old 08-30-2022 | 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperFlyCFI
Can someone show me the QOL improvements?

Just match Envoy and send it to a vote.

Quit wasting everyones time.
Hey there Brainiac….. you do realize Envoy’s contract is good for only 2 years then it snaps back to the original rates
The one offered to SkyWest are permanent rates.
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Old 08-30-2022 | 08:51 AM
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Hey there Brainiac….. you do realize Envoy’s contract is good for only 2 years then it snaps back to the original rates
The one offered to SkyWest are permanent rates.
LOL.
Time to check your knowledge.

There rates are permanent until
A) Skywest declares Bankruptcy
B) Skywest liquidates
C) CC pays off his houseboat
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Old 08-30-2022 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by flyfast2u
Hey there Brainiac….. you do realize Envoy’s contract is good for only 2 years then it snaps back to the original rates
The one offered to SkyWest are permanent rates.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Get educated. Are you a member of SAPA? You’re sensitive.

The WO pay schedules snap back to 10% above whatever the highest regional schedule is at that time. If it was today, they’d “snap back” to $110 & $165. Ten percent above Mesa. Not bad.

No matter how you look at it, SAPA & SGU are going to have much more work to do. GOOD. The notification via iPad is terrible. When my penalty lap would get upgraded to ERJ the company would try to put me on cancellation reserve. I wouldn’t answer my phone and go home. One time I had eight calls. They had something special for me. Anyway. With the iPad notification piece they just notify when you attempt to activate or close. Genius on TTs part. Sad SAPA agreed to it. In this market. Give the company something?
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Old 08-30-2022 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by domino
LOL.
Time to check your knowledge.


C) CC pays off his houseboat
It's a paid for company houseboat, not Chips. so he doesn't have to pay MX, Slip fees, or insurance. Besides he has the cash to buy a better one than the company's.
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Old 08-30-2022 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by herewego
It's a paid for company houseboat, not Chips. so he doesn't have to pay MX, Slip fees, or insurance. Besides he has the cash to buy a better one than the company's.
correct. So now the choices become A or B. Should be easier to get the right answer.
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Old 08-30-2022 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by herewego
It's a paid for company houseboat, not Chips. so he doesn't have to pay MX, Slip fees, or insurance. Besides he has the cash to buy a better one than the company's.
So wait. Is there really a houseboat? New here. Need the scoop.
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Old 08-30-2022 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by flyfast2u
Hey there Brainiac….. you do realize Envoy’s contract is good for only 2 years then it snaps back to the original rates
The one offered to SkyWest are permanent rates.
Absolutely a SAPA rep
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Old 08-30-2022 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Str8 Cash Homie
Captain TA Pay

Total includes: Wages + 401k + Per Diem

Year 1: $152,747
Year 2: $159,691
Year 3: $164,088
Year 4: $169,050
Year 5: $174,012
Year 6: $183,942
Year 7: $189,047
Year 8: $194,152
Year 9: $199,257
Year 10: $204,362
Year 11: $213,257
Year 12: $218,412

(2024-2026 +2.5% per year)

5-Year ERJ Captain expected income crediting 1,200 hours (supposedly the current “average”): $226,940

Do you have these numbers hourly? I ask to see just how far off mesa rates these are. Because I am seeing these as comparable or even better. What are they without 401k and per diem - hourly. What’s your min guarantee?
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