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Old 04-23-2015 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
As long as JA and CC is at the helm, there is no way that would happen.
They may not WANT it to happen, but if correct ( or incorrect depending on your perspective) leverages were applied they would not have a choice.
Old 04-23-2015 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
As long as JA and CC is at the helm, there is no way that would happen.
Good thing JA is only 66 years old. I'm sure we can get another 10-15 years out of him.

And CC was always a pilot advocate here at SW. Any decision he made was always proceeded by "Is this good for the pilots?" I'm sure there is no amount of money or job title out there that would be able to take him away from SW. No matter how much money would be saved by merging the two airlines, CC would never let that happen to our pilot group. [/sarcasm]

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Old 04-23-2015 | 11:35 AM
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Not sure if that's sarcasm?
Old 04-23-2015 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
I guarantee you that there will never ever be a mixing of the two pilot groups. If you honestly believe there is a stone's throw chance in hell, you obviously don't know as much about the upper management folks that you claim...
They probably won't do it while XJT exists in any significant form.

But if SKW went alpa, then a merger at least of lists would be likely.
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
Leverage from whom?
These guys.
SkyWest, Inc.
Old 04-23-2015 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
Which if that were the case, what would be the incentive for the newer guys at SkyWest to vote in a union? So they could be pushed further down the list? Not exactly a good selling point...
No, it's not a good selling point at all. Anyone trying to sell alpa at SKW would have to explain how fences would protect the junior and mid-grade pilots. Or how a common-carrier petition from XJT could be deflected.

Anyone from XJT advocating alpa at SKW has an obvious conflict of interest.
Old 04-23-2015 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
I could not disagree with you more....They know what side the bread is buttered on. XJT will either be sold off or vanish before any one of those guys would think a merge would be a good idea.
Most people know that OO is the profitable side of INC. That is mostly due to the poor contracts that were bought with XJT. What happens when the XJT contracts expire? There is no way to ever recoup the purchase cost by selling off XJT and its assets. These guys are all about money in the pockets. They are also accountable to the share holders.

A consolidated operating certificate, pilot group, aircraft fleet, training facility is practical. I cannot imagine that this option has never been discussed or considered. Maybe not next year, but within the next 5 years. I would like to see the 5 year plan. We will have 2 fleet types. CRJ / ERJ (not sure about the MRJ).
Old 04-23-2015 | 01:36 PM
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They would need huge fences because the costs to train and force displace people would be huge. This discussion has been going on since expressjet was bought. Synergies would be a pro if you think expressjet will be around, and with all the 50s they have its not likely unless they become small and then the value of synergy goes down anyway. I agree it's all about money but they can't keep losing it either by pouring it into expressjet
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The 145s and 200s will dwindle down even at low oil prices they are
Talking about it, see USA today for article that's about 300/360 aircraft for expressjet and there's no plans that I've ever heard of for 175s to go there. So if there's no demand for your supply what do you do?

I think expressjet pilots would probably find a home at Skywest one way or another but I don't think the planes will
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Originally Posted by Squallrider
They would need huge fences because the costs to train and force displace people would be huge. This discussion has been going on since expressjet was bought. Synergies would be a pro if you think expressjet will be around, and with all the 50s they have its not likely unless they become small and then the value of synergy goes down anyway. I agree it's all about money but they can't keep losing it either by pouring it into expressjet
I have read here on APC (a beacon of FACT) that the attrition rate at XJT is approximately 70 per month. Not sure what the current number of pilots on the roster is now, but if that rate continues it won't take long for them to become small.

Synergy also includes economy of scale. Training Dept, HR Dept, Scheduling, etc. Everything consolidates. Skywest largest regional in the U.S. with 4 to 6 thousand pilots. A determining factor in contract awards has to be staffing levels. Definitely a feather in the cap.
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