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03-15-2015, 08:49 AM
#9201
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Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: RJ right-seat warmer
Posts: 632
Originally Posted by velosnow
Thanks 
It does have a way of wearing on one's sanity and mental faculties. The giant bruise on my forehead has finally gone away after years of banging my head against the wall.
It does have a way of wearing on one's sanity and mental faculties. The giant bruise on my forehead has finally gone away after years of banging my head against the wall.
03-15-2015, 09:03 AM
#9202
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Joined APC: Nov 2011
Posts: 4,503
There is no such thing as a first world problem at a regional airline
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03-15-2015, 09:17 AM
#9203
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Joined APC: Nov 2010
Posts: 1,170
Originally Posted by kfahmi
I'd be interested to hear from some SW old-timers... How were things better back in the day? Specifics? Just curious, really.
03-15-2015, 09:33 AM
#9204
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Joined APC: Feb 2013
Position: Prime Leader of Boko Harumph
Posts: 1,167
Originally Posted by kfahmi
I'd be interested to hear from some SW old-timers... How were things better back in the day? Specifics? Just curious, really.
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03-15-2015, 10:03 AM
#9205
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Joined APC: Dec 2014
Posts: 310
Originally Posted by FaceBiter
They are forced to buy their own EFB.
Who doesn't have their own iPad? I can have whatever I want on my personal iPad...it isn't checked by the company. And I wouldn't want to carry my personal one and my company one around. They aren't all that expensive, most of my pilot friends from mil and civ had them already.
They have to PAY for KCM.
A whopping $2.50 per month. Stupid on principle, but not exactly a significant amount of money for the convenience. Would not be much of a factor of which regional I would choose.
PerDiem was like $1.40
Yeah...sucks. Oh well...small potatoes in the grand scheme of things.
2nd year FO pay was $29.
2nd year CA pay is a lot higher than that and surpasses SKW 2nd year pay. 3rd year CA pay is greater than 3rd year SKW FO pay IIRC.
Captain rates are a joke.
Captains at Mesa are making enough to get by...not great but not that bad. Not too far behind your captain pay scale given the number of 50 seaters you all have (thats a fairly close comparison to our CA pay scale... we are a few bucks an hour off your 50 seaters I think). 2-5 year CAs at mesa are still making more than 2-5 year FOs at SKW. Especially the guys hired here in the last year (majority prior 121 or other professional flying jobs), most of the newer folks here won't be regional captains that much longer...at least not the ones on this board and who have degrees and have their stuff in order.
Forget EFB notification. There was people whose only job was to come find you and make you do more flying for free.
Keyword "was." I haven't heard of this happening in years. We have plenty of reserves (for now), 117 rules are generally obeyed by the schedulers with plenty of buffer, and we generally don't get screwed with by the company. Hasn't happened to me once.
1:30 call out.
I was on reserve for only 3 months total before holding a line in Phx. In those 3 months, minus the few ready reserve days I had to do, I had 24-48 hours notice of a trip while on reserve. Not a big deal (right now anyway). Maybe I got lucky? None of my friends had any issues either though.
No AQP for initial, huge washout rates.
Not valid anymore and hasn't been since our Dash program went away. Our washout rates are on par with the rest of the regional industry...probably a lot lower than some like PSA. Our training department gives a lot of help to those who need it. Extra sims, extra IOE, etc. This isn't like it was when you had issues at Mesa.
No real cancellation pay.
Block or better is not the greatest in the industry...but not the worst. I have had two legs of one trip canceled since I've worked here because a flight had to RTB. I got paid more than I flew and got home early. Not a big deal. There are realistically not that many times this part of the contract screws pilots..at least not with the west coast flying I do.
SkyWest has issues, imagine the uproar if this happened here. It's truly not even a comparison.
People, even former SKW pilots, come work at Mesa knowing all of the above (if they've done any research at all). The issues you call out about Mesa aren't exactly huge deals and/or are things of the past. Low pay (but not that low considering upgrade times), crappy medical, and a stupid new logo are the big issues at Mesa. This isn't the company you used to (or tried to?) work for. We have a good training department that gets most people through, no 50 seaters or props, slow and steady growth, a good pilot group, and (surprisingly) no real problem filling classes as evidenced by the 30 that started Mar 5th, including 2 former SKW guys, and pretty good performance numbers. I won't go onto a SKW forum and say anything negative about your airline like you come to our forum and bash ours, but I will respond to your spewing of garbage about ours. I read your forum, and based on the stuff going on at SKW, I know I made the right choice. People are for the most part happy at Mesa. A lot of SKW pilots don't seem to be. What gives?
Who doesn't have their own iPad? I can have whatever I want on my personal iPad...it isn't checked by the company. And I wouldn't want to carry my personal one and my company one around. They aren't all that expensive, most of my pilot friends from mil and civ had them already.
They have to PAY for KCM.
A whopping $2.50 per month. Stupid on principle, but not exactly a significant amount of money for the convenience. Would not be much of a factor of which regional I would choose.
PerDiem was like $1.40
Yeah...sucks. Oh well...small potatoes in the grand scheme of things.
2nd year FO pay was $29.
2nd year CA pay is a lot higher than that and surpasses SKW 2nd year pay. 3rd year CA pay is greater than 3rd year SKW FO pay IIRC.
Captain rates are a joke.
Captains at Mesa are making enough to get by...not great but not that bad. Not too far behind your captain pay scale given the number of 50 seaters you all have (thats a fairly close comparison to our CA pay scale... we are a few bucks an hour off your 50 seaters I think). 2-5 year CAs at mesa are still making more than 2-5 year FOs at SKW. Especially the guys hired here in the last year (majority prior 121 or other professional flying jobs), most of the newer folks here won't be regional captains that much longer...at least not the ones on this board and who have degrees and have their stuff in order.
Forget EFB notification. There was people whose only job was to come find you and make you do more flying for free.
Keyword "was." I haven't heard of this happening in years. We have plenty of reserves (for now), 117 rules are generally obeyed by the schedulers with plenty of buffer, and we generally don't get screwed with by the company. Hasn't happened to me once.
1:30 call out.
I was on reserve for only 3 months total before holding a line in Phx. In those 3 months, minus the few ready reserve days I had to do, I had 24-48 hours notice of a trip while on reserve. Not a big deal (right now anyway). Maybe I got lucky? None of my friends had any issues either though.
No AQP for initial, huge washout rates.
Not valid anymore and hasn't been since our Dash program went away. Our washout rates are on par with the rest of the regional industry...probably a lot lower than some like PSA. Our training department gives a lot of help to those who need it. Extra sims, extra IOE, etc. This isn't like it was when you had issues at Mesa.
No real cancellation pay.
Block or better is not the greatest in the industry...but not the worst. I have had two legs of one trip canceled since I've worked here because a flight had to RTB. I got paid more than I flew and got home early. Not a big deal. There are realistically not that many times this part of the contract screws pilots..at least not with the west coast flying I do.
SkyWest has issues, imagine the uproar if this happened here. It's truly not even a comparison.
People, even former SKW pilots, come work at Mesa knowing all of the above (if they've done any research at all). The issues you call out about Mesa aren't exactly huge deals and/or are things of the past. Low pay (but not that low considering upgrade times), crappy medical, and a stupid new logo are the big issues at Mesa. This isn't the company you used to (or tried to?) work for. We have a good training department that gets most people through, no 50 seaters or props, slow and steady growth, a good pilot group, and (surprisingly) no real problem filling classes as evidenced by the 30 that started Mar 5th, including 2 former SKW guys, and pretty good performance numbers. I won't go onto a SKW forum and say anything negative about your airline like you come to our forum and bash ours, but I will respond to your spewing of garbage about ours. I read your forum, and based on the stuff going on at SKW, I know I made the right choice. People are for the most part happy at Mesa. A lot of SKW pilots don't seem to be. What gives?
03-15-2015, 10:08 AM
#9206
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Joined APC: Dec 2014
Posts: 310
Originally Posted by FaceBiter
Ahhhhhhhhhhh. My eyes are burning. Make it stop, for the love of sweet baby jesus.
03-15-2015, 10:18 AM
#9207
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Joined APC: Nov 2010
Posts: 1,170
I see no reason for a ****ing contest between regionals - or any for that matter -, some work for others and some don't. Go to work, protect our careers and have fun. The end.
03-15-2015, 10:47 AM
#9208
MK Ultra Candidate
Joined APC: Feb 2013
Position: Prime Leader of Boko Harumph
Posts: 1,167
Originally Posted by tunes
There is no such thing as a first world problem at a regional airline
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03-15-2015, 11:02 AM
#9209
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: Downward Dog
Posts: 1,877
Whoa whoa let's not mention the name that shall not be mentioned.
03-15-2015, 02:18 PM
#9210
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Skywest
Originally Posted by velosnow
I see no reason for a ****ing contest between regionals - or any for that matter -, some work for others and some don't. Go to work, protect our careers and have fun. The end.
And how do you suppose we protect careers?
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