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03-06-2015, 05:45 AM
#9101
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Originally Posted by skypilot35
Obviously this does not account for training, vacation, military leave, sick time, golden days, etc. Just curious how many flight hours the company has averaged over the last 5 years?
03-06-2015, 06:02 AM
#9102
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Operations don't feel very sustainable right now, with 3400 pilots. The buffer needs to account for management pilots, pilots in training, ground/sim instructors, sick time, mil leave, FMLA, and vacation. The average pilot as SKW probably takes three weeks/year vacay (some much more, new-hires much less).
I observed mesa lose about 50% of their pilot group in one year...attrition due to other airlines hiring led to junior manning, which led to more attrition which led to across-the-board vacation canx and more junior-manning, which led to even more attrition. Key factor was that, in addition to CA's going to majors, other "good" regionals were hiring mesa FO's.
I observed mesa lose about 50% of their pilot group in one year...attrition due to other airlines hiring led to junior manning, which led to more attrition which led to across-the-board vacation canx and more junior-manning, which led to even more attrition. Key factor was that, in addition to CA's going to majors, other "good" regionals were hiring mesa FO's.
I "think" the retirement of the Bro (although forecasted for awhile) is an effort to slow the hemorrhage of pilots. Additionally, the rumor I've heard is that we are currently turning down some flying (emphasize rumor) to avoid the predicament RAH found themselves in, having to cancel flights for lack of crews. I understand this is occurring but not at the same rate.
WRT attrition, my seniority number has gone up about 40 spots since the last bid package came out. I would imagine that rate with remain relatively constant or increase over the next several months. Reading the major forums and looking at the hiring threads, there is a lot of movement. Southwest got rid of the type requirement
. In many ways I believe having a lack of pilots is a good thing. It SHOULD stimulate pay increases and competition between companies to attract the talent. However, it also results in a hit to QOL for EVERYONE, not just us poor bastards on reserve.
03-06-2015, 08:07 AM
#9103
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Originally Posted by disillusioned
According to the latest update by RJ it looks like the company is officially not going to pay you for timing out under 117. Instead of sending out clarification to why they will not pay you, TG prefers to speak with each individual about why they are getting corn-holed.
Now why would the company not want to be clear on a policy that effects every pilot here? Maybe because they don't want to come out and say that if you pick up any red time flying or fly your awarded scheduled that you will not get paid?
Kinda sad because I had high hopes after KB "retired" Looks like nothing will change. Plus the fact that the company has no intention of getting a pay package to us. Sure glad "The long-term interests of all SkyWest Airlines employees are best served by maintaining our current environment of open and honest communication. We cannot compromise the environment we have worked so hard to create. The existence of a third party would undoubtedly change that relationship."
I continue to wonder how far this pilot group will allow our QOL to slip before we wake up.
Now why would the company not want to be clear on a policy that effects every pilot here? Maybe because they don't want to come out and say that if you pick up any red time flying or fly your awarded scheduled that you will not get paid?
Kinda sad because I had high hopes after KB "retired" Looks like nothing will change. Plus the fact that the company has no intention of getting a pay package to us. Sure glad "The long-term interests of all SkyWest Airlines employees are best served by maintaining our current environment of open and honest communication. We cannot compromise the environment we have worked so hard to create. The existence of a third party would undoubtedly change that relationship."
I continue to wonder how far this pilot group will allow our QOL to slip before we wake up.
03-06-2015, 08:07 AM
#9104
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Originally Posted by NVUS
These are the combined block hours for SkyWest and ExpressJet. What is the breakdown from there? That data isn't readily available. I think you wouldn't be far off by just cutting the number in half. 1.1M or 1.2M block hours for 2014.
Originally Posted by rickair7777
Operations don't feel very sustainable right now, with 3400 pilots. The buffer needs to account for management pilots, pilots in training, ground/sim instructors, sick time, mil leave, FMLA, and vacation. The average pilot as SKW probably takes three weeks/year vacay (some much more, new-hires much less).
In Feb of 2014 we had 85,571 block hours combined. We had 1,488 Captains bidding and 1389 FO's with 243 CA reserves and 220 FO reserves.
Fast forward a year and we had 92,001 block hours (7% increase) with 1460 Captains bidding (2% decrease), 1295 FO's bidding (7% decrease) with 212 CA reserve (13% decrease) and 162 FO reserve (27% decrease)
This lines up with the fact that we lost 36 FO's in January and February, and have that much or more in training. So I guess if you want to look at the glass half full, we have lots of opportunity for the FO's that want to commute to MSP for the $hittiest lines we have in the system.
I think we will be in better shape when the EMB guys are done with transitions, but we could be in worse shape since we are losing over 40 pilots per month so far this year. In summary, we are all getting bent over the past couple months because we should have hired more people before we started the E175 training. But KB thought that since our attrition was so low when nobody was hiring, that nobody was going to leave. I guess that is why he "retired"
03-06-2015, 08:14 AM
#9105
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Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck
Can you tell me where this is? I don't see anything on SWOL or on sapa site. If this is true it's an absolute ****ing scam. Why anyone would sit back and allow this to happen is beyond me.
Last edited by disillusioned; 03-06-2015 at 08:18 AM. Reason: added quote
03-06-2015, 08:27 AM
#9106
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Originally Posted by skypilot35
I agree 100%. Not sure what the actual buffer should be. 10% seems a little low, but it's just a SWAG.
I "think" the retirement of the Bro (although forecasted for awhile) is an effort to slow the hemorrhage of pilots. Additionally, the rumor I've heard is that we are currently turning down some flying (emphasize rumor) to avoid the predicament RAH found themselves in, having to cancel flights for lack of crews. I understand this is occurring but not at the same rate.
WRT attrition, my seniority number has gone up about 40 spots since the last bid package came out. I would imagine that rate with remain relatively constant or increase over the next several months. Reading the major forums and looking at the hiring threads, there is a lot of movement. Southwest got rid of the type requirement.
In many ways I believe having a lack of pilots is a good thing. It SHOULD stimulate pay increases and competition between companies to attract the talent. However, it also results in a hit to QOL for EVERYONE, not just us poor bastards on reserve.
I "think" the retirement of the Bro (although forecasted for awhile) is an effort to slow the hemorrhage of pilots. Additionally, the rumor I've heard is that we are currently turning down some flying (emphasize rumor) to avoid the predicament RAH found themselves in, having to cancel flights for lack of crews. I understand this is occurring but not at the same rate.
WRT attrition, my seniority number has gone up about 40 spots since the last bid package came out. I would imagine that rate with remain relatively constant or increase over the next several months. Reading the major forums and looking at the hiring threads, there is a lot of movement. Southwest got rid of the type requirement
. In many ways I believe having a lack of pilots is a good thing. It SHOULD stimulate pay increases and competition between companies to attract the talent. However, it also results in a hit to QOL for EVERYONE, not just us poor bastards on reserve.
03-06-2015, 08:36 AM
#9107
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Originally Posted by disillusioned
SAPA site has the PIC report from RJ. I got to it by clicking on the latest tab and PIC Committee report.
03-06-2015, 08:41 AM
#9108
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Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck
Maybe I'm just totally stupid but I'm not finding this "latest" tab?
03-06-2015, 09:52 AM
#9109
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Biggest one week loss since I started keep track last year. We lost 8 CA and 10 FO's in the past 7 days. 4 CRJ's and 1 ERJ from training alone. The ERJ may have been a no show, but the others look like they were in class for a little while. Maybe we are trying to hire 100 per month so we can get 70 of those on the line?? Seems a little ironic that we have such a high washout rate on the first couple classes that CE wasn't in charge of.
03-06-2015, 11:04 AM
#9110
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Originally Posted by disillusioned
Biggest one week loss since I started keep track last year. We lost 8 CA and 10 FO's in the past 7 days. 4 CRJ's and 1 ERJ from training alone. The ERJ may have been a no show, but the others look like they were in class for a little while. Maybe we are trying to hire 100 per month so we can get 70 of those on the line?? Seems a little ironic that we have such a high washout rate on the first couple classes that CE wasn't in charge of.
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