Squallrider

Means say there's 100 people in base he's number 75. So not super junior but not senior either. Line holding for sure.

Utah

I think you're right actually. You can contribute yourself, but the company won't start until completion of one year.

WesternSkies

No vote.
Removal of the vesting concession is good, but still no.
$ not promises.

Crazy Canuck

I believe Cruz is right. I put money into 401k and have not seen a match yet. 1 yr coming up.

I'm undecided. Leaning towards a yes vote initially. However as I take some time I'm starting to think we may be able to do better. Still a few holes, but a VAST improvement. 0 concessions which is a win, but i think retro pay is due along with block or better instead of slywests BS historical block or better system.

Fortunately our dumbass FAs left millions of $$ on the table for us with their horrific contract vote. We should take advantage!

Caution Terrain

What about reflow pay at 1.5? How about restored days off? If this is supposedly a work rules/pay package the rules need to be drafted up.

WesternSkies

The 1:4 pay nets me about .2 for the last 11 trips. Pointless and just another thing for the people calculating our checks to screw up. MDG and MLG are easy. There is a reason they are ok with a 4:1 over a four day = 21 hours to MDG of 5 hours = 20. Because 5 would be in our favor.

Caution Terrain

At first glance this looks like a shuffling of the original proposal.

SMACFUM

FYI, the average TAFB/Credit ratios (trip rigs) system wide are 3.16 on the 200, and 3.05 on the 700/900. These numbers came straight from the last RSR report SAPA put out. Needless to say, these total averages are less than the proposed 4.0 rig.

M20EPilot

Here's why establishing a trip rig is really important:

There are still outlying trips made of leftover flying with poor credit. Due to the nature of PBS, this is a problem for all pilots (not just junior ones) since PBS's job is to allocate flying. It cannot build complete lines for junior pilots out of poor pairings since it will run out of work-days. Its "solution" is to start swapping pairings. A senior person might get a desired trip replaced with a crappy one, and the junior guy gets crappy trips and maybe a nice one... yet is still saddled with minimum days off.

Further, consider that the TAFB/Credit ratio you mention is a system wide average, encompassing all pairing lengths. Think about this: a good paying local will credit close to 1:1. Standups by their nature usually have at least a 2:1 ratio (the existing duty rig). A two-day trip somewhat less (but still pretty good) since there is only one night away in a hotel that counts toward TAFB. So despite the fact that the system-wide ratio averages close to 3:1, your longer trips end up far worse: A 20-hour 4-day might have a typical TAFB of ~76 hours and have a 3.8 ratio (and that's not optimal, but isn't a bad pairing). A really crappy one, of minimum credit days has close to a 5.0 ratio.

I think that establishing a trip rig is a big win, and something that can be negotiated up in subsequent pay agreements.

Cruz5350

Maybe and it's a big maybe a 1/4 of the pairings fall less than a 1 to 4 average. This will pass because a majority of new hires want that big raise and the remaining balance needed to eek out a win are those who get shafted from the 16 hr 4 days.