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Old 07-15-2015, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by soakingpilot View Post
ok whats wrong with this one then? I just listened to the call and seems like allot more than the first offer a few months ago...

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"Time Away From Base (TAFB) Guarantee of 1:4 for pairing construction:
▫ Minimum 1 hour pay credit for each 4 hours TAFB applied to each pairing."

what exactly does this mean as it could be some serious boku bucks in some ways...
It's what's known as a "trip rig." You're guaranteed 1 hour of pay-credit for every 4 hours away from base (TAFB).

It's basically insurance to cover against very inefficient trips, especially long 4 day trips, with long overnights, and long sits. This has been a real problem especially in MSP.

There are a bunch of 4 day trips in MSP that credit only 16 hrs (which is min. day guarantee of 4 hours per day.) but they start early on day 1 and finish late on day 4. These trips can have up to 80+ hours TAFB.

With this 1:4 trip-rig, that same 80 hr. TAFB 4 day trip would pay 20 hours instead of 16 hours.
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Old 07-15-2015, 08:08 AM
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Cool so the last proposal was $.50 but the new one will be $.59 for my longevity and seat. It's just shuffled around using terms to describe basically what's the same thing as the last one. The new scheduling software is already showing that it's more efficient so the new trip rig isn't really going to help too many people plus a lot of other carriers have it. I'm not done going through the it in depth but those stuck out to me the fastest.
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Old 07-15-2015, 08:11 AM
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Apparently Air Wisconsin is the only regional to have a trip rig at this time?

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Old 07-15-2015, 08:21 AM
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No there's a handful more that have it and really it's of little benefit to the majority of the pilot group.
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Old 07-15-2015, 08:46 AM
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I see well thats definitely a QOL plus for those who are getting shafted ex. in MSP CRJ. Further besides the hourly bump I can actually get 401K matched right off the bat which is a big plus for me.
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Old 07-15-2015, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by soakingpilot View Post
I see well thats definitely a QOL plus for those who are getting shafted ex. in MSP CRJ. Further besides the hourly bump I can actually get 401K matched right off the bat which is a big plus for me.
Where did you read you get 401k from day 1? I'm pretty sure that and the bonus' don't get payed out until your off probation.
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Old 07-15-2015, 09:59 AM
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Rsv should be paid at 2:1
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Old 07-15-2015, 10:10 AM
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Where did you read you get 401k from day 1? I'm pretty sure that and the bonus' don't get payed out until your off probation.
"1% increase in 401k company match with NO vesting schedule"

emphasis on the no vesting schedule or day uno
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Old 07-15-2015, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by soakingpilot View Post
"1% increase in 401k company match with NO vesting schedule"

emphasis on the no vesting schedule or day uno
Pretty sure that's not what vesting means... Usually it's defined as you have to spend x amount of years at a company before you can leave and get what they matched.
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Originally Posted by soakingpilot View Post
"1% increase in 401k company match with NO vesting schedule"

emphasis on the no vesting schedule or day uno
Yea these are for completed years of service so no match starts until after your first year.

Beginning January 1, 2016 the Company will provide matching contributions, dollar-for-dollar, up to the following percentages based on completed years of service:
1) 1-4 years of service = 3%
2) 5-9 years of service = 5%
3) 10+ years of service = 7%
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