Squallrider

I agree. From what they told us people didn't understand the pay packpage, specifically the bonuses and the
Profit sharing, what they didn't understand is that we wanted definites not maybes. MT told me management and sapa that this was a pay package not QOL, I think they'd do better focusing on QOL because like I said pay can only do very little

Paid2fly

Pay can do a lot if they offered us even a quarter of the percentage increase executive management gave themselves! Somehow, they can always find the $$$ for large double digit increases for themselves, but cry poverty when it comes to the pilot group that actually helps make all those $$$ for management...

Nevets

Someone is always at the top. Why wouldn't the most successful and most profitable regional airline ever be that airline? You have economies of scale multiple times greater than everyone. Your size gives your airline leverage to negotiate the best deals with third parties. You are not at the bottom, by any measure (yet your airline continues to get more and more flying year after year) but you should be higher than being at the median. I'm not taking about massive jump over xjt or awac. I'm saying that being in the position you guys are in, you should be getting that +1. That alone would help turn the tide of concessions or cost neutral pay packages.

If your new pay package meets or exceeds xjt's current 10 year old concessionary contract, then I'll gladly stand corrected. I'm looking forward to you posting it and then we can compare, bullet by bullet, the entire package.

It seems that most of your deficiencies are actually in work rules, insurance, retirement, and scope. In other words, the sections that are harder to compare, quantify, and easier to hide deficiencies.

We all know that if we want major airline pay, we need to go to a major airline. No one is arguing that point. But while we are at FFDs, total compensation and QOL can and should go up incrementally with time.




Not to mention that these top management personnel all have employee contracts yet they work hard to disenfranchise their own employees of the same right they reserve for themselves.

ckelley

What would be "screwing ourselves" into a bad deal, 101?

Squallrider

Because you don't stay on top with increasing cost and as can be seen by com air, express jet and envoy you don't remain competitive , profitable or successful with increasing cost. We have gotten new flying but not nearly as much as others (RAH/TSA/Compass), a high likelihood is that we got new flying not based on cost but based on our ability to train people (owning our own sims for 175) as well as attract new hires.i doubt our new agreement will beat a old express jet one, the market has dramatically changed in that time, whilst I agree that it should have improved over time to match inflation that is not the reality, places such as gojet, psa and Mesa have done everything possible to undercut the market, furthermore our pilot group is far more senior than places such as compass allowing them to have a much more competitive cost structure. Economies of scale are in our favor, but on the CRJ. The ERJ is still a new fleet, small in comparison to the CRJ fleet and it is not gaining full benefit from economies of scale. Xjt contract is a piece of the pie for what's causing that company under, With mostly 50 seaters (and in my opinion the worst 50 seater, not saying much I know) express jet is doomed if it can't evolve with the times and get bigger aircraft, something that no one would invest in with a uncertain and expensive pilot group.

Paid2fly

Don't you management apologists have your own website?

Nevets

The tide is turning. We as pilots are gaining leverage. Our COO and director of operations have told us publicly that they will now offer better pay and work rules for all pilots, despite our supposed worst 50 seaters (which is false, by the way). So there is no reason why you shouldn't be getting that plus 1. Again, I'm not talking about magnitudes better, just better overall in total economic terms. Your work rules, insurance, retirement, and scope is severely lacking and would help if you can come up and meet ours while keeping your pay.

I've always said that it's not all about a contract though. And I still believe that. There are a lot of benefits other than having the rights working a CBA (not unlike the employee contracts our upper management enjoy for themselves). But in this instance, I'm making the contract case because that also helps the rest of the industry, not just yourselves, as the other benefits of having an nmb recognized bargaining agent provides.

AFflyer

First, do you need a car during training? Does Skywest provide Trans from the hotel to the training site?

Second, what kinda headsets are most popular? Standard 2 plug system?

Third, what kind and size luggage is the most popular?

Thanks in advance!

telejet

Welcome aboard! They provide transportation to the hangar each day. You're on your own if you want to get around town. There is a light rail stop close to the hotel making it easy to get downtown in 10 min or so. Either that or makes friends with someone who brought a car.

Any standard headset will work. There are non provided in the plane. The CRJ is quiet up front.

Most people have the Luggageworks Stealth 22". It will fit in the overhead of the CRJ.

Squallrider

Depends on the plane and where. Not much around in slc for crj, there's a restaurant in the lot, you may have a kitchen in your room depending where they put you. On the ERJ ground and sometimes sim is in Denver, the hotel has lots around it (5 restaurants or so) with a shuttle to Walmart. Sim in Denver has food in hotel daily (grows old fast), Lombards next door and bbq a short walk away. Usually someone has a car