Thanks for all the great info. How senior a base is PHX? Is there a lot of reserve there or is it mostly trips?

 

Nope, not a first year guy and, like you, I can definitely live with current rules and pay (not too shabby for a regional). I just want to point out that sometimes we let ourselves become uninformed voters, or one issue voters, or emotional voters (vote no because Crew Support turned down our last vacation request), and we end up turning down a good deal when it stares us in the face.

I'm glad the first one was rejected. It gave us a chance to fix a lot of stuff. But NO deal is going to be perfect. Waiting for the perfect deal is like waiting for the perfect wave. It's much more fun to surf on the good waves while you are waiting.

Sometimes a "better" deal comes along quickly..... and sometimes it doesn't. I'm not so sure a round three deal would come along quickly enough to make up for months (or years) of lost pay, work rules, profit sharing, per diem.

Lots of guys were ****ed last time and voted NO just to vent some frustration with schedules and and general stagnation at the regionals. I expect that a majority of our pilots will pragmatically look at the benefits of this deal and vote yes this time around.

 

Lot of guys voted NO because it was such a lousy offer. The latest offer would still cause us to fall behind the inflation rate every year(not even considering last year we got nothing, along with the lack of any retro pay)!

 

I'm pretty sure it will pass. I'm just not so sure it's the best we can do. I'm definitely not convinced we wouldn't see round 3 in short order. I think it's a good deal, I won't be bent if it passes.

 

I think you're right, it will probably pass this time. My vote will be no, as it doesn't hit the minimum marks I need that show SkyWest even cares.

It seems that the company wants this real bad and to move on to get further contracts and fresh meat in the front door, those words in essence being told to sim instructors at a private dinner with MT and TG.

So, it comes as no big surprise that we are completely throwing away a chance to capitalize on this opportunity for a better TA.

What would have been ideal, would have been for SAPA to stop the process from moving forward. Sadly the majority of the reps, the entire executive board, and the company are going to vigorously sell this pile of, somewhat sweetened, dog droppings. The chief pilots and the sim instructors are getting a list of talking points so they can help push this package.

Why? Why does the company want this so bad? Why can't we use this opportunity to get more?

Is should probably start drinking.....

 

Sad, do you really believe this? SGU is in stress mode, if they can't lure uniformed CFIs with a 36.00 pay rate, the new planes won't have new meat in the seat. We finally have leverage you want to sell it at discount rates.

 

Haven't had a problem yet. In fact, I'd say there's more crews available for the new planes than the old ones.

 

No leverage... You realy think if we vote no again they will be back in 4 weekes with offer 3?? Your mistaken. They will park us for years..... This is a good offer.. Lets take it and move on...

 

The reason I'm inclined to vote no is because new hires will be getting a 50% raise once they raise it to $36, which they will. Everyone else is getting 1.5%. I'm sure there will be some improvements on the next one by voting it down just not nearly as many as the first package to this one. Trip rig seems nice but ask Air Wisconsin guys how often that comes into play. Will come into play even less for us now with MDG going up. If they really need pilots they should focus more on retention than this band aid fix of hiring as many guys as they can.

 

We may be able to get them in the door, but we can't keep them around. Maybe they are hoping the $36 per hour will allow them to get better quality with the quantity. In the first 10 days of July, we lost 10 people out of training. So it's awesome that we are still able to fill our classes, but it would be nice if we were able to get more than 80-85% on the line.

Plus there is no doubt in my mind that we have already secured some flying that will be announced shortly after the pay package is approved. My only hope is that we give SGU one more chance to make a better offer.