No vote.
Removal of the vesting concession is good, but still no.
$ not promises.

 

I believe Cruz is right. I put money into 401k and have not seen a match yet. 1 yr coming up.

I'm undecided. Leaning towards a yes vote initially. However as I take some time I'm starting to think we may be able to do better. Still a few holes, but a VAST improvement. 0 concessions which is a win, but i think retro pay is due along with block or better instead of slywests BS historical block or better system.

Fortunately our dumbass FAs left millions of $$ on the table for us with their horrific contract vote. We should take advantage!

 

What about reflow pay at 1.5? How about restored days off? If this is supposedly a work rules/pay package the rules need to be drafted up.

 

The 1:4 pay nets me about .2 for the last 11 trips. Pointless and just another thing for the people calculating our checks to screw up. MDG and MLG are easy. There is a reason they are ok with a 4:1 over a four day = 21 hours to MDG of 5 hours = 20. Because 5 would be in our favor.

 

At first glance this looks like a shuffling of the original proposal.

 

FYI, the average TAFB/Credit ratios (trip rigs) system wide are 3.16 on the 200, and 3.05 on the 700/900. These numbers came straight from the last RSR report SAPA put out. Needless to say, these total averages are less than the proposed 4.0 rig.

 

Here's why establishing a trip rig is really important:

There are still outlying trips made of leftover flying with poor credit. Due to the nature of PBS, this is a problem for all pilots (not just junior ones) since PBS's job is to allocate flying. It cannot build complete lines for junior pilots out of poor pairings since it will run out of work-days. Its "solution" is to start swapping pairings. A senior person might get a desired trip replaced with a crappy one, and the junior guy gets crappy trips and maybe a nice one... yet is still saddled with minimum days off.

Further, consider that the TAFB/Credit ratio you mention is a system wide average, encompassing all pairing lengths. Think about this: a good paying local will credit close to 1:1. Standups by their nature usually have at least a 2:1 ratio (the existing duty rig). A two-day trip somewhat less (but still pretty good) since there is only one night away in a hotel that counts toward TAFB. So despite the fact that the system-wide ratio averages close to 3:1, your longer trips end up far worse: A 20-hour 4-day might have a typical TAFB of ~76 hours and have a 3.8 ratio (and that's not optimal, but isn't a bad pairing). A really crappy one, of minimum credit days has close to a 5.0 ratio.

I think that establishing a trip rig is a big win, and something that can be negotiated up in subsequent pay agreements.

 

Maybe and it's a big maybe a 1/4 of the pairings fall less than a 1 to 4 average. This will pass because a majority of new hires want that big raise and the remaining balance needed to eek out a win are those who get shafted from the 16 hr 4 days.

 

Just say no.





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I think Air Wisconsin and Horizon are the only two with a trip rig. Air Wisconsin is 4:1, I'm not sure about Horizon's.

Not many regionals have duty rigs either, I think the two mentioned above plus Skywest and ASA are the only few.