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Old 11-08-2015, 09:52 AM
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Someone had mentioned a while back that PSP was going junior. Curious if that's still the case. Thank you..
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Old 11-08-2015, 11:17 AM
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Someone had mentioned a while back that PSP was going junior. Curious if that's still the case. Thank you..








Quite a few have transferred out because the pairings are so bad.
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Old 11-08-2015, 11:34 AM
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Quite a few have transferred out because the pairings are so bad.
Need to understand more about pairings but it doesn't sound good. Thanks for the info.
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Old 11-08-2015, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Flightsoffusion View Post
Need to understand more about pairings but it doesn't sound good. Thanks for the info.
Plenty of qualities can determine whether the pairings in a domicile are 'good' or 'bad.' For example:

Pairing diversity. Commuters naturally prefer 4-days, while folks who live in base may often prefer locals, standups, or 2-days. This is a huge problem at SKW where 80% of the trips in certain domiciles are 4-days. Great for commuters, not so great if you live in base (unless you don't like being home.)

Credit / TAFB ratio. A typical 4-day might take you away from base for 80 hours. A great-paying 4-day would pay 26 or 27 hours credit for that time. A lousy 4-day would pay 16 hours. SKW has a minimum credit/ TAFB ratio of 4.1, meaning that if you're gone for 80 hours, you have to get slightly more than 20 hours credit.

Type of flying. Easy trips involve fewer and longer legs. On one extreme you might have the 4-day I'm currently on, with 2 legs each day for the first 3 days, and one leg on the last day. On the other extreme you might have a 23-leg 4-day, with each flight lasting 0:30 or so. These are far more exhausting than the 4-days with 7 legs.
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Old 11-08-2015, 02:55 PM
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I have an intervieuw as well. Can't wait to get out of this crappy 135 job that I'm in.
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Old 11-08-2015, 03:07 PM
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Being a junior FO, the bases I am looking at are MSP, ORD, DEN and IAH. How would you list them from best to worst in terms of best paying trips? Are there other bases that would be worth considering? I don't really care where I end up living as I am pretty open to move anywhere.
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Old 11-08-2015, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbosina View Post

Credit / TAFB ratio. A typical 4-day might take you away from base for 80 hours. A great-paying 4-day would pay 26 or 27 hours credit for that time. A lousy 4-day would pay 16 hours. SKW has a minimum credit/ TAFB ratio of 4.1, meaning that if you're gone for 80 hours, you have to get slightly more than 20 hours credit.
So if you're guaranteed 75hour pay/month, does that mean you'll get the TAFB ratio 4:1 on top of the 75hours + per diem?

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Old 11-08-2015, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by mrcdkit90 View Post
So if you're guaranteed 75hour pay/month, does that mean you'll get the TAFB ratio 4:1 on top of the 75hours + per diem?
You are thinking of it from the wrong angle.
You don't get 4:1 on top of pay, you get a garuntee of a minimum of 4:1. At the end of the trip if you look back at your pay, if you didn't fly enough to have pay-to-duty ratio to exceed 4:1, company will add money to your paycheck to bring you up to a minimum ratio of 4:1.
If your trip met or exceeded that 4:1 criteria on its own then it doesn't apply to you.
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You are thinking of it from the wrong angle.
You don't get 4:1 on top of pay, you get a garuntee of a minimum of 4:1. At the end of the trip if you look back at your pay, if you didn't fly enough to have pay-to-duty ratio to exceed 4:1, company will add money to your paycheck to bring you up to a minimum ratio of 4:1.
If your trip met or exceeded that 4:1 criteria on its own then it doesn't apply to you.
makes sense! thanks for the clarification.
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Old 11-08-2015, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbosina View Post
Plenty of qualities can determine whether the pairings in a domicile are 'good' or 'bad.' For example:

Pairing diversity. Commuters naturally prefer 4-days, while folks who live in base may often prefer locals, standups, or 2-days. This is a huge problem at SKW where 80% of the trips in certain domiciles are 4-days. Great for commuters, not so great if you live in base (unless you don't like being home.)

Credit / TAFB ratio. A typical 4-day might take you away from base for 80 hours. A great-paying 4-day would pay 26 or 27 hours credit for that time. A lousy 4-day would pay 16 hours. SKW has a minimum credit/ TAFB ratio of 4.1, meaning that if you're gone for 80 hours, you have to get slightly more than 20 hours credit.

Type of flying. Easy trips involve fewer and longer legs. On one extreme you might have the 4-day I'm currently on, with 2 legs each day for the first 3 days, and one leg on the last day. On the other extreme you might have a 23-leg 4-day, with each flight lasting 0:30 or so. These are far more exhausting than the 4-days with 7 legs.
Outstanding information Turbo, Thanks much for the explanation. You wouldn't know the reason for PSP in particular, would you? Are guys getting out because of the long time away by the locals living in base or the other way around?
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