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Old 10-10-2015 | 09:12 PM
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Everything posted on the last few pages have been hot button issues for the last decade or more. Newsflash, it is what it is, don't like it, do something about it. Whining on a semi anonymous web board will change nothing. Airport sits, ready reserve, cruddy schedules are your, and every pilots destiny.
You are cheap compared to an airplane, they bought/leased the plane, and pay for every minute of ownership. You on the other hand are rented labor, and pretty cheap in price, compared to almost anything in aviation.
Don't like stuff? Do something about it, or it will continue long after you are dead from old age.
If you gotta ask what to do, then congrats this is your foreseeable future.....
Old 10-10-2015 | 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
It is highly efficient. Pilot sit time at airports is FREE!!! Well OK, it costs $1.85/hour. You couldn't hire an illegal immigrant for $2/hour. It doesn't get any more efficient than that. It's hard to trigger the daily duty overtime rig with 117.

Pilot sit time in hotels is mostly free...again, hard to trigger the trip rig. About the only way is Mx base flying (0500 show, 2300 release).

Our idea of efficiency is not the same as the company's...
At least we were smart enough (for now) to not give the ability to be notified while we are only making $1.85 per hour. Anyone who doesn't think the second we sign some type of reflow policy that these long sits will increase so that we can be pseudo ready reserves is crazy.

Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom
Everything posted on the last few pages have been hot button issues for the last decade or more. Newsflash, it is what it is, don't like it, do something about it. Whining on a semi anonymous web board will change nothing. Airport sits, ready reserve, cruddy schedules are your, and every pilots destiny.
You are cheap compared to an airplane, they bought/leased the plane, and pay for every minute of ownership. You on the other hand are rented labor, and pretty cheap in price, compared to almost anything in aviation.
Don't like stuff? Do something about it, or it will continue long after you are dead from old age.
If you gotta ask what to do, then congrats this is your foreseeable future.....
Funny you should mention that. When the SAPA website was down earlier today, I first thought it may be my laptop. So I was doing a google search to see if I could get the site to come up and I ran across this old thread.
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...est-loses.html

Instead of posting in it, I just decided to put it out here for everyone to see how much things stay the same. Before my time, but I wonder how much QOL we have lost since this discussion took place. I agree that there are certain limitations of what we can get being a regional, but SGU will soon have to realize that "the way we have always done it" will not work with the 117 rules. The fact that we still can't stack trips because of antiquated CS software is amazing to me. And trust me, doing everything possible to get out. No more hope that things will get better here. If we are requiring 89-90 hours for lines in November during our slow time, that tells me the company has just decided this is the new normal. Hoping to be on the front side of the attrition wave out of here.
Old 10-11-2015 | 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Cruz5350
You guys fail to realize that we're at the mercy of our mainline partners who set our schedules. You might fly that early flight out of an outstation but that doesn't mean there is always going to be another flight to do 45 mins later. Mainline pairings have sits as well to so don't think we're the only ones doing them.







Schedules were never this bad in the past. I can't speak for everyone's pairings, but the ones we're getting could be improved. There are plenty of flights available that would avoid the extremely long inefficient airport appreciation sits.
Old 10-11-2015 | 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Cruz5350
You guys fail to realize that we're at the mercy of our mainline partners who set our schedules. You might fly that early flight out of an outstation but that doesn't mean there is always going to be another flight to do 45 mins later. Mainline pairings have sits as well to so don't think we're the only ones doing them.
Those happen, and are understandable in that they are beyond control of SKW although they could try to do RON crew swaps at those points.

Frustration is long hub sits, watching other folks come and go while you sit and appreciate.
Old 10-11-2015 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Those happen, and are understandable in that they are beyond control of SKW although they could try to do RON crew swaps at those points.

Frustration is long hub sits, watching other folks come and go while you sit and appreciate.
I usually get about 1 a month out of 4 pairings so I don't think they happen as often as we think. How often do you hear about the good things at work? I'm sure the more junior you are the more they happen to end up on your schedule.

I can tell you that there is work being done on trying to get more efficient schedules from our mainline partners it's just not something that happens over night.
Old 10-11-2015 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Cruz5350
I usually get about 1 a month out of 4 pairings so I don't think they happen as often as we think. How often do you hear about the good things at work? I'm sure the more junior you are the more they happen to end up on your schedule.

I can tell you that there is work being done on trying to get more efficient schedules from our mainline partners it's just not something that happens over night.
I bid 20% and haven't done anything longer than a 2-day in more than 2 years. Right now I'm on a 3-day trip that was awarded to me and all of my day trips and standups went to junior guys. The PBS guys said "that's just what was awarded, and if I woulda heard him say company need again I woulda puked. This 3-day is a 22 hour trip but it has 9 hours of sits in it.
Old 10-11-2015 | 01:51 PM
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I don't know what you're quoting me for... Our version of PBS is garbage plain and simple.
Old 10-11-2015 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Cruz5350
I don't know what you're quoting me for... Our version of PBS is garbage plain and simple.







Maybe he quoted you because you seem to keep trying to defend the crummy pairings with long sits in hubs?
Old 10-11-2015 | 07:42 PM
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Old 10-11-2015 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Paid2fly
Maybe he quoted you because you seem to keep trying to defend the crummy pairings with long sits in hubs?
I'm not defending it at all I explained why it happens and why it will always continue to happen.
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