Skywest
10-08-2015 | 07:51 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,082
Likes: 0
From: ERJ CA
10-08-2015 | 08:51 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 613
Likes: 0
I've been here a year and a half and have never been PN'ed or CN'ed. I admit PBS is not at all intuitive, but if you keep trying different things and read the manual very carefully you can start to get some of the things you want, but not all. I'm just under 40% in MSP with 16 days off this month, though that may partially be due to the recent increase in pairing quality here.
You may not have been here yet, but it used to be every month on the 24th 20:00 the SAPA forums would explode with people complaining about the SWOL server crashing as people tried to pickup, drop or improve their line. Now there is nothing. Is it because people can drop trips now? Nope, they just got tired of trying after 12-18 months of not being able to drop a single turn. Same with PBS. It's not because everyone is so happy with their awards. It's just that they have got sick and tired of trying to get it fixed and have just accepted that nothing will ever be done. It only takes one or two times of dealing with KH and MP to make you realize how f'ed up PBS and how little of a crap either one of them give about you getting the trips you should have been awarded. SAPA will continue to stifle the "troublemakers" with their moderated forum, but eventually the lack of working with our pilot group will come back to haunt management. But at least the pilot cost will be lower when we lose all those lifers.
10-08-2015 | 09:06 PM
Pathological Flyer
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 694
Likes: 0
Curious how long the majority of the trips go out of PSP. What's a typical schedule look like? Thank you.
10-08-2015 | 09:44 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 2,610
Likes: 512
From: Guppy Gear Slinger
I've been here a year and a half and have never been PN'ed or CN'ed. I admit PBS is not at all intuitive, but if you keep trying different things and read the manual very carefully you can start to get some of the things you want, but not all. I'm just under 40% in MSP with 16 days off this month, though that may partially be due to the recent increase in pairing quality here.
Admittedly as a junior guy I have also benefited from this. My first month holding a line, I got a bunch of 8-leg, 25-hour 4-day -700 trips that my seniority could not possibly have held (and which I didn't even bother bidding for), while guys way senior to me were getting the classic Brojet trips...you know, the 20-leg, 17-hour credit 4-days -200 trips.
I mean, for crying out loud, I intentionally bid to fly 4-days over Memorial Day weekend and also July 4 weekend. I didn't even care what kind of trips they were, I just bid to fly those days. As a very junior lineholder...I got both of those long weekends completely off, while very senior FOs who bid for those days off were forced to fly those days. Does that make any sense to you? Not to me.
10-08-2015 | 09:50 PM
Banned
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 802
Likes: 0
PBS is about globalization, meets the company needs first and then goes to seniority.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Simple fact: the most senior can lose a specific bid trip to the most junior line holder if it's in the companies interest to satisfy scheduling needs.
Not a secret!
Who are you, kelvin?
10-08-2015 | 09:51 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 1,875
Likes: 0
From: Downward Dog
I've been here a year and a half and have never been PN'ed or CN'ed. I admit PBS is not at all intuitive, but if you keep trying different things and read the manual very carefully you can start to get some of the things you want, but not all. I'm just under 40% in MSP with 16 days off this month, though that may partially be due to the recent increase in pairing quality here.
Not being CN'd in 18 months is just how the cards have fallen.
What are the chances that what you bid in proper seniority order is also the companies most efficient use of its pilots resource? Slim. I wish you the best of luck but the CN is coming eventually. If you want your head to explode -figure out the line you would have had if those north and south of you hadn't been globalized. A Butterfly farts in Japan and you overnight in Midland.
10-10-2015 | 04:43 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 127
Likes: 0
Interesting that I could take the first line and use it about your way of thinking. Not a victim here. Just someone who takes the time after the bids to see where the trips ended up that were "replaced/not awarded due to line constraints". Let me ask you some questions since you have this PBS thing figured out. What happens when PBS makes a mistake? Well if you are persistent enough and can get KH cell number after he doesn't return your messages, you can get them to look at the trip you were supposed to get. After he tries to blame it on you, with help from our SAPA PBS expert, they say it will be reported to AOS. Then either the trip in question will be assigned to you or you will be pay protected for the error.
How many times does this happen each month? What happens to the domino effect from that first trip that was assigned wrong? Don't get me wrong. The company loves people like you who just want to blame it on the end user. Again, I guarantee that if you published the bids, everyone would finally get a chance to see how screwed they are getting each month. Right now only a handful of people each month complain, they fix the issue and brush it under the carpet until next month. The reason most people don't complain is because they don't take the time to investigate, or they screwed something up in the past and just assume they made a mistake this time around.
And just for the record, I have figured out how to work the system. My point is that I should be able to bid the trips I want and get them if someone senior to me doesn't. I shouldn't get trips removed from my line and awarded to someone junior because PBS NEEDS to award me 89 hours when it gets to me. Those trips should be placed into Open Time for extra incentive pay or assigned to those that want to work the extra hours. Globalized PBS doesn't protect seniority, it protects the company.
How many times does this happen each month? What happens to the domino effect from that first trip that was assigned wrong? Don't get me wrong. The company loves people like you who just want to blame it on the end user. Again, I guarantee that if you published the bids, everyone would finally get a chance to see how screwed they are getting each month. Right now only a handful of people each month complain, they fix the issue and brush it under the carpet until next month. The reason most people don't complain is because they don't take the time to investigate, or they screwed something up in the past and just assume they made a mistake this time around.
And just for the record, I have figured out how to work the system. My point is that I should be able to bid the trips I want and get them if someone senior to me doesn't. I shouldn't get trips removed from my line and awarded to someone junior because PBS NEEDS to award me 89 hours when it gets to me. Those trips should be placed into Open Time for extra incentive pay or assigned to those that want to work the extra hours. Globalized PBS doesn't protect seniority, it protects the company.
But with regards to pbs Idk what to tell you about pbs. It works for me.
10-10-2015 | 04:49 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 127
Likes: 0
It's not about PNing and CNing, it's about seeing trips that you bid for get awarded to guys far more junior than you...and they didn't even want those trips, nor did they bid for them. Yet you bid for these trips, and you don't get them.
Admittedly as a junior guy I have also benefited from this. My first month holding a line, I got a bunch of 8-leg, 25-hour 4-day -700 trips that my seniority could not possibly have held (and which I didn't even bother bidding for), while guys way senior to me were getting the classic Brojet trips...you know, the 20-leg, 17-hour credit 4-days -200 trips.
I mean, for crying out loud, I intentionally bid to fly 4-days over Memorial Day weekend and also July 4 weekend. I didn't even care what kind of trips they were, I just bid to fly those days. As a very junior lineholder...I got both of those long weekends completely off, while very senior FOs who bid for those days off were forced to fly those days. Does that make any sense to you? Not to me.
Admittedly as a junior guy I have also benefited from this. My first month holding a line, I got a bunch of 8-leg, 25-hour 4-day -700 trips that my seniority could not possibly have held (and which I didn't even bother bidding for), while guys way senior to me were getting the classic Brojet trips...you know, the 20-leg, 17-hour credit 4-days -200 trips.
I mean, for crying out loud, I intentionally bid to fly 4-days over Memorial Day weekend and also July 4 weekend. I didn't even care what kind of trips they were, I just bid to fly those days. As a very junior lineholder...I got both of those long weekends completely off, while very senior FOs who bid for those days off were forced to fly those days. Does that make any sense to you? Not to me.
10-10-2015 | 04:58 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 127
Likes: 0
YOU ARE GONE!
PBS is about globalization, meets the company needs first and then goes to seniority.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Simple fact: the most senior can lose a specific bid trip to the most junior line holder if it's in the companies interest to satisfy scheduling needs.
Not a secret!
Who are you, kelvin?
PBS is about globalization, meets the company needs first and then goes to seniority.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Simple fact: the most senior can lose a specific bid trip to the most junior line holder if it's in the companies interest to satisfy scheduling needs.
Not a secret!
Who are you, kelvin?
So heres the trick to figuring out pbs. Can't win the game? Don't play the game! That's why I don't bid I just let the cards lay where they lay. I get all the major holidays off. Every weekend. It's great. Pbs recognizes me (kevin) as such a company man they're like yeah bro you rock have the schedule of your dreams.
Also I'm not sure why you told me "YOU ARE GONE!" Cause that's wierd and doesn't make sense to me.
You have a great day Stewart.
10-10-2015 | 07:18 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,122
Likes: 0
From: A-320
It was always fun getting a coverage day when people junior to me got that day off. Another gem was the required line value that you have no way of knowing.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
